Knurled. said:In reply to jay8s :
I don't understand the words coming out of your mouth. M5s have six cylinder engines, both in E28 and E34 form. What is the Dodge truck crap about V10s?
Also: I witnessed an Impreza Outback Sport with an STi drivetrain swap being pitched around a RallyCross course. It is precisely everything I think is awesome.
Regular E60's where all inline 6's.
E60 M5 V-10 S85.
E60 M5 wagon was Euro only. I want one.
Buick GN with modern steering, IRS, and chassis reenforcement. 400hp, 6 speed manual, and all the fixins.
jay8s said:Knurled. said:In reply to jay8s :
I don't understand the words coming out of your mouth. M5s have six cylinder engines, both in E28 and E34 form. What is the Dodge truck crap about V10s?
Also: I witnessed an Impreza Outback Sport with an STi drivetrain swap being pitched around a RallyCross course. It is precisely everything I think is awesome.
Regular E60's where all inline 6's.
E60 M5 V-10 S85.
E60 M5 wagon was Euro only. I want one.
They had v8 E60's as well.
jay8s said:Knurled. said:In reply to jay8s :
I don't understand the words coming out of your mouth. M5s have six cylinder engines, both in E28 and E34 form. What is the Dodge truck crap about V10s?
Also: I witnessed an Impreza Outback Sport with an STi drivetrain swap being pitched around a RallyCross course. It is precisely everything I think is awesome.
Regular E60's where all inline 6's.
E60 M5 V-10 S85.
E60 M5 wagon was Euro only. I want one.
I'm just having some fun. I recognize that BMW put V8s and V10s in the later, ultra-fat ultimate parking machines so that they could get out of their own way.
(See? Having fun again. I did drive an M6 once. I liked the under-2 turns lock to lock steering)
kanaric said:Buick GN with modern steering, IRS, and chassis reenforcement. 400hp, 6 speed manual, and all the fixins.
Having much experience with many GNs, I have two questions.
One, why do you want only 400hp? That is like the babiest of baby Red Armstrong chips if you forget to tighten the wastegate, and you have a completely stock engine. 600-800hp is so absurdly easy to get in GN-land that there is no reason to settle for only 400hp. I drive lots of cars, I tune lots of cars, GNs are the only ones that make my brain reboot from the acceleration. Champion heads, good cam and crank and rods, Precision turbo, and you're there. And you don't even need all that, there are guys making 1000hp with "stock appearing" turbos and '109 blocks and stock unported heads. (OK, these engines are kind of ephemeral, because 900-1000hp is about where a '109 will split even if the tuneup is right, but you can't argue with "stock appearing" GNs running deep in the 9s at 3800lb)
Two, seriously WTF, are you a fan of turbo lag or something? GNs need automatics PERIOD. A real eye opener was a car we had in, all we did was change the converter to one with a stall speed 500rpm higher, and it went from hitting 7psi when you nailed it to hitting 13psi when you nailed it, because the engine could instantly get into its happy zone. And you want to throw away the Turbo's Best Friend by putting in a MANUAL trans?
GNs are horribly laggy beasts unless you get a good converter in them.
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Of course, there is a 0% chance I'll ever make this happen.
I'm currently building exactly what I want to build.
Daily-driveable classic car that doubles as a truck and only needs minor things - check
30's hot rod with scratch-built frame and modern powertrain - check
Vintage quirky wagon with ridiculous powertrain for Challenge duty - check
I can't even fathom what's next.
I had this funny idea for a Cobra-esque build; RB26DETT and no side pipes. Either FIA or 427S/C body, Hallibrand-style wheels, some kind of full-width rollbar setup with dense netting behind the cockpit to control the back draft and make it a nicer place to spend time. Basically make it a great car to cruise to shows in and piss off people with Nissan burger badges where they'd expect a snake or AC logos. And then that engine...
I think it would be cool to build a variation of the A-C "428". From what I've read, under the skin it's essentially a Cobra/Ace that's been stretched 12". So in theory, a stretch Cobra kit chassis based on Mustang components would work. Part of me wonders if the top mechanism from a Mustang convertible could be made to fit...
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Inre: recreating an AC 428, how close is the bodywork to looking like a stretched MGB?
I have no idea as I've never seen on in person.
I've been wondering about an idea for a while... What about taking something stupid-cheap like a short wheelbase 4 cyl S-10 or Ranger and stripping off the cab and bed to make something like an early 50's F1 car out of it? There wouldn't be any need to lighten the frame as the whole idea would be to go for the "feel" of the original, not so much the performance. Keep it around 100 hp and with low gearing to give it some sort of acceleration then whip up a sheet metal body to make it look something like a Maserati 250F or an old Indy Roadster. Mebbe change wheels to narrow, tall wire wheels to complete the look? I have to believe it would be easier than building a Locost...
Finish the Molvo.
And then I am done.
I don't have another one in me after the Molvo regardless of $$$ circumstances.
I will however, be on hand to realize and enable other peoples follies.
While I do share Mazdeuces idea of an overland vehicle, and live in the right country for such journeys, I am married to the wrong woman for such adventures.
Pete
Knurled. said:kanaric said:Buick GN with modern steering, IRS, and chassis reenforcement. 400hp, 6 speed manual, and all the fixins.
Having much experience with many GNs, I have two questions.
One, why do you want only 400hp?
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Two, seriously WTF, are you a fan of turbo lag or something?
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but with the IRS and stuff, it sounds like he wants a GN that's good for more than straight lines. Surely some careful parts selection and tuning, along with sizing stuff for "only" 400hp should allow him to build something less-laggy enough to be workable with a manual?
I could have it wrong on both his intent and the realities of the engine, but it sounds a bit like he said "I want to build a quick GN that works everywhere" and you said "Balance? What kind of weenie are you? MOAR TURBO POWERZ!"
EDIT: I should drink my coffee. They key thing that I thought was funny was that your two paragraphs sounded like "1: Do stuff to make it extra-laggy. 2: That thing is so laggy, why manual?" Again, it may be down to my GN ignorance, but I'm weirded out by the notion of an engine that intrinsically can't be less laggy regardless of components and tune.
In reply to stroker :
Possibly. The double A-arm, independent front suspension might stand out and detract from the look.
I disagree about it being easier to build than a Locost. The big benefit of a Locost is how simple the bodywork is. Those 50's open wheel racers have bodies with a lot more curves. The most complicated part of a Seven is the nose cone, which can be bought if one doesn't want to attempt scratch-building it.
Ian F said:In reply to stroker :
Possibly. The double A-arm, independent front suspension might stand out and detract from the look.
I disagree about it being easier to build than a Locost. The big benefit of a Locost is how simple the bodywork is. Those 50's open wheel racers have bodies with a lot more curves. The most complicated part of a Seven is the nose cone, which can be bought if one doesn't want to attempt scratch-building it.
Wikipedia sez the 250F had independent front suspension, FWIW...
So what engine candidates fit this?
Beck 904 with a serious flat 6 P car motor in it. Guy over on Pelican Parts has one that would be just the ticket.
Maybe get Mr Runge to build me something shiny.
I don't have the skills to accomplish it. But I've always wanted to buy an older Ford or Chevy, SWB truck.
Put a monster naturally aspirated V8 in mid-engine configuration. A Ford truck with the Voodoo out of the GT350 would be good. Hammer it, I mean HAMMER it to the ground 90s WTCC-style and put the widest, stickiest meats under the thing you can find.
Of course, race quality dampers, huge brakes, all that stuff is implied.
Ransom said:EDIT: I should drink my coffee. They key thing that I thought was funny was that your two paragraphs sounded like "1: Do stuff to make it extra-laggy. 2: That thing is so laggy, why manual?" Again, it may be down to my GN ignorance, but I'm weirded out by the notion of an engine that intrinsically can't be less laggy regardless of components and tune.
That's the beauty of it though, adding power doesn't make them more laggy. The absolute least laggy turbo I have ever experienced, on any vehicle, was a 71mm (maybe 77? Huge) turbo on a 265ci GN. (Which is just a stroker crank away) There wasn't any real discernible lag, the turbo was like a giddy puppy just trying to get out of your hands. It would spool up and make the blowoff valve chatter just cruising down the road at 35mph. It was nuts. That car ended up running something like 9.20s or 8.90s after the chassis was sorted. It was a long while back.
Engine also had GOOD heads and GOOD intake and exhaust manifolds. Choked engines are laggy engines.
Anyone who has taken a peek into my garage realizes I have a real bad case of A-ADHD.
One of the ideas that I don't think I've mentioned involves dropping this '78 Ramcharger to the ground on a C4 or CV front suspension, hacking the door tops, early 74 RC style, and hopefully make it enjoyable enough for "spirited" driving. Drivetrain is still up in the air, but likely 340, 360, 5.9 Magnum, or 3g Hemi. I have a few of the first two, but none of the last two, but I'll probably still run the Magnum motor.
The other part involves this '87 RC that is already 2wd. It will get lowered with van LCAs, a flip of the rear end and a swap to a flanged axle 35 spline Jeep J4000 D60-2 and a Dodge truck V10 swap for torque. With the 518RH it shouldn't get any worse mileage than the 13 MpG it was getting with the TBI 318 that was in it. 20" steel Dodge Ram spares will be used all around on this one.
I want a tin grill late 70s D200 at stock height on big tires with a turbocharged 6.0 LS and a 4l80e. Preferably in yellow.
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