What do we know about the Duramini?

wlkelley3 said:

z31maniac said:

 

Why is the "MSRP" of new trucks so frequently brought up on this board? New trucks NEVER sell for MSRP or anywhere close to it. 

Around here, you are right. They sell for more than MSRP. Lucky to get MSRP around here. You just get laughed at when trying to negotiate for trucks. Seems to be status to have the most expensive truck. Most truck owners around here would never put anything in the bed, might scratch the Rhino Lining.

I wanted one when I bought my 16 Tacoma but they weren't at the dealers here yet and They were mighty proud of them. Got my 16 Tacoma extended cab V6 SR5 w/tow package for about 6k less than the Colorado/Canyons and it was still more than I've ever paid for a vehicle. I can live with 6600 lb tow capacity and combined 23 mpg.

Seriously, why do you guys feel the need to lie to attempt to make a point on the internet? 

https://www.woodyandersonford.com/inventory?type=new&keyword=F-150

So when you go into the dealership, they add $10k+ back on to the advertised price of the truck?

Ford vs Toyota?

Patrick said:

I can’t be the only one who clicked this expecting a mini cooper with a duramax swap, right?

Guilty. Exactly what I was thinking it was 

Jaynen said:

I mean my 2004 F-150 supercrew 4x4 I think had 8300 or so with a 5.4 v8 because the 4.1 gears were somewhat less common? and it got 16mpg all day.

 

Also in case anyone isn't aware. DEF is super cheap at Walmart. Its like 8 bucks for 2 gallon jugs

It’s 5.98 at rural king or less if you go to a truck stop with def pumps

Dusterbd13 said:

Patrick said:

I can’t be the only one who clicked this expecting a mini cooper with a duramax swap, right?

Guilty. Exactly what I was thinking it was 

Add me to the list.

babymax is out of the question still?

z31maniac said:  Seriously, why do you guys feel the need to lie to attempt to make a point on the internet? 

 

https://www.woodyandersonford.com/inventory?type=new&keyword=F-150

 

So when you go into the dealership, they add $10k+ back on to the advertised price of the truck?

 

 

I think it depends heavily on region and make/trim package.  In my area full size pickups are discounted but in some areas the pimped package ones go for above msrp.   I was thinking oil country when I heard it.. its their version of what a Bentley is here.  Status.

Everybody wants to overpay for Tacomas around here for some reason I can't figure out.

'16 Canyon SLT 4X4 CCSB 2.8 Duramax owner here.

Tow capacity of this truck is 7700 lbs, payload near 1500 lbs. Other configurations may vary. ZR2 payload is 1100 lbs and tow cap is 5000 lbs.

Not hearing any engine complaints in stock form on the forums. If any, they are emission or sensor related and appear to be resolved. IMO this engine was detuned for emission and fuel economy (dieselgate?). Word is stock engine is good for 500 lb. ft. (rods). It is an interference engine w/ timing belt. Consensus is change at 100K vs the factory recommended 150K mile. 

Typical fuel mileage has been 30 mpg/ tank after break in, 75% highway on old hilly SW PA four lane 40 mile commute w/ 45-55 zones and about a dozen traffic lights. Measured old school at the same pump, same fill. Mostly short hops, city driving, warm ups and winter fuel will drag it down. Worst tank was low 20's under those conditions. I expect much better mileage on interstate but haven't run a full tank there yet. Have not towed either.

Last interstate run, not a full tank run though:

Only use the 50 mile screen to tune my foot to the throttle, like playing a game. It will pretty much match my pump calculations in the end tho as I seen. Lifetime mileage is currently 28.1, down from 30 when I commuted 40 miles but that's been 11 months, mostly short hops now. 6L50 six speed auto rarely hit sixth on the old hilly commute, interstate is another story. 65 is sweet spot for me.

Been a full size truck guy since '75 but got tired of the bloat of new FS trucks. I have words for them, probably better to not share. Hope I never go back to FS trucks, this truck suits me fine for what I need now.

Rather have had a ECLB Duramax but configuration wasn't available in '16 but they are now. Going to look at an '18 next week hopefully, dat one w/ da penis wheels.

z31maniac said:

wlkelley3 said:

z31maniac said:

 

Why is the "MSRP" of new trucks so frequently brought up on this board? New trucks NEVER sell for MSRP or anywhere close to it. 

Around here, you are right. They sell for more than MSRP. Lucky to get MSRP around here. You just get laughed at when trying to negotiate for trucks. Seems to be status to have the most expensive truck. Most truck owners around here would never put anything in the bed, might scratch the Rhino Lining.

I wanted one when I bought my 16 Tacoma but they weren't at the dealers here yet and They were mighty proud of them. Got my 16 Tacoma extended cab V6 SR5 w/tow package for about 6k less than the Colorado/Canyons and it was still more than I've ever paid for a vehicle. I can live with 6600 lb tow capacity and combined 23 mpg.

 

Seriously, why do you guys feel the need to lie to attempt to make a point on the internet? 

 

https://www.woodyandersonford.com/inventory?type=new&keyword=F-150

 

So when you go into the dealership, they add $10k+ back on to the advertised price of the truck?

 

 

Yes, in mandatory dealer fees and add-ons. Never heard of one out the door for that although that was the advertised price. Now look at something besides plain janes, I know those were XLT but V6. Plus that is only a couple from the lot and probably sold before these were published.

And besides, this thread is about the Colorado/Canyon. And I haven't heard of those being discounted.

I do take offense at being called a liar. I do not intentionally lie, ever. May exacerbate some but do not lie. 

Jaynen said:

I mean my 2004 F-150 supercrew 4x4 I think had 8300 or so with a 5.4 v8 because the 4.1 gears were somewhat less common? and it got 16mpg all day.

 

Also in case anyone isn't aware. DEF is super cheap at Walmart. Its like 8 bucks for 2 gallon jugs

that's a whole lot more expensive than free. 

It's weird to have a timing belt on a diesel, but I like the mileage and tow capacity.  Honestly, aren't the new midsize trucks about the size of an old school F150? 

In reply to grover :

yes the colorado is the same size as a 90's 1500 

The first time i actually saw a Colorado/Canyon in real life what drew my eye to it was 'thats a funny looking Sierra' and it took me a second to realize it was the new 'midsize' truck. 

Ironically i think this is basically what killed the Dakota. It grew to be as big as an older 1/2 ton on the outside while still being distinctly midsize on the inside, and not being better at anything (same engines, transmissions, mpg..). I really think the small diesel is the only thing that objectively justifies the midsize class, but that will fade as more 1/2 ton diesel options become available. I'm all for choice and people buying whatever they want with their own money. I just think the diesel Colorado is the only Colorado i care about and that its position in the market will become more perilous as more half ton diesels come along. 

The only thing that's going to give 'small' trucks a stable footing in USA again is to abolish the chicken tax, but that's not AMERICA FIRST i suppose, or any kind of likely given the current proclivity to expand trade protectionism. 

Also, i like babymax better than duramini. 

Fueled by Caffeine said:

a quick Google search shows MSRP's in the 50's for these?  insert sad trombone...

 

https://www.youtube.com/embed/yJxCdh1Ps48?rel=0&showinfo=0

 

Canyon Denali Duramax will not not top $50K USD, nor will ZR2 Duramax w/ all factory options.

Whether its the babymax or the duramini, or the duraminimax. It seems like a good "little" truck I expect the new ranger will come in around the same size

8valve said:

z31maniac said:  Seriously, why do you guys feel the need to lie to attempt to make a point on the internet? 

 

https://www.woodyandersonford.com/inventory?type=new&keyword=F-150

 

So when you go into the dealership, they add $10k+ back on to the advertised price of the truck?

 

 

I think it depends heavily on region and make/trim package.  In my area full size pickups are discounted but in some areas the pimped package ones go for above msrp.   I was thinking oil country when I heard it.. its their version of what a Bentley is here.  Status.

Everybody wants to overpay for Tacomas around here for some reason I can't figure out.

This is why I pulled up a dealer from the city he lives in.

wlkelley3 said:

z31maniac said:

wlkelley3 said:

z31maniac said:

 

Why is the "MSRP" of new trucks so frequently brought up on this board? New trucks NEVER sell for MSRP or anywhere close to it. 

Around here, you are right. They sell for more than MSRP. Lucky to get MSRP around here. You just get laughed at when trying to negotiate for trucks. Seems to be status to have the most expensive truck. Most truck owners around here would never put anything in the bed, might scratch the Rhino Lining.

I wanted one when I bought my 16 Tacoma but they weren't at the dealers here yet and They were mighty proud of them. Got my 16 Tacoma extended cab V6 SR5 w/tow package for about 6k less than the Colorado/Canyons and it was still more than I've ever paid for a vehicle. I can live with 6600 lb tow capacity and combined 23 mpg.

 

Seriously, why do you guys feel the need to lie to attempt to make a point on the internet? 

 

https://www.woodyandersonford.com/inventory?type=new&keyword=F-150

 

So when you go into the dealership, they add $10k+ back on to the advertised price of the truck?

 

 

Yes, in mandatory dealer fees and add-ons. Never heard of one out the door for that although that was the advertised price. Now look at something besides plain janes, I know those were XLT but V6. Plus that is only a couple from the lot and probably sold before these were published.

And besides, this thread is about the Colorado/Canyon. And I haven't heard of those being discounted.

 

I do take offense at being called a liar. I do not intentionally lie, ever. May exacerbate some but do not lie. 

I guess I'll just have to take your word for it. Between myself and my ex-wife in the last 11 years I've bought  6 new vehicles from dealerships. 

These thousands of dollars in "mandatory fees and add-ons" have never happened. 

But I still don't really believe it. If dealers were really adding $10k back on to the price of the truck from what they advertise, people would buy vehicles elsewhere and the dealers would go out of business. 

fasted58 said:

Fueled by Caffeine said:

a quick Google search shows MSRP's in the 50's for these?  insert sad trombone...

 

https://www.youtube.com/embed/yJxCdh1Ps48?rel=0&showinfo=0

 

Canyon Denali Duramax will not not top $50K USD, nor will ZR2 Duramax w/ all factory options.

Internet price of $51,645..  MSRP of 52645..

http://www.chevyworld.com/VehicleDetails/new-2018-Chevrolet-Colorado-4WD_ZR2-Roseville-CA/3144924343

z31maniac said:

8valve said:

z31maniac said:  Seriously, why do you guys feel the need to lie to attempt to make a point on the internet? 

 

https://www.woodyandersonford.com/inventory?type=new&keyword=F-150

 

So when you go into the dealership, they add $10k+ back on to the advertised price of the truck?

 

 

I think it depends heavily on region and make/trim package.  In my area full size pickups are discounted but in some areas the pimped package ones go for above msrp.   I was thinking oil country when I heard it.. its their version of what a Bentley is here.  Status.

Everybody wants to overpay for Tacomas around here for some reason I can't figure out.

This is why I pulled up a dealer from the city he lives in.

I've found it does vary by region. That's why I said "around here" and I am familiar with that dealer. They are one of the better ones around here but their trick (and other dealers) is to advertise a lower model and it conveniently  not around when you go in so they up-sell you on a more expensive model with less to no discounts. I know, common practice and all are guilty of it. Those were lesser equipped models that not many want. Everyone wants all the bells & whistles. Around here there are a lot that can afford it and will pay it. Go through parking lots around here and you'll find numerous top equipped models that never haul anything. You can get deals here on model year close-outs. Maybe the market has changed here since I was in the market a while back. It was model year closeout time and I couldn't find those deals. Several dealers laughed and a couple even walked away from us when my Korean wife that loves to bargain tried so we walked away from those.

Is seating for 6 an option? The folding front console/middle seat is a great truck feature when you need to move a bunch of people in a pinch.  I would never buy a truck with a full console.

2002maniac said:

Is seating for 6 an option? The folding front console/middle seat is a great truck feature when you need to move a bunch of people in a pinch.  I would never buy a truck with a full console.

It doesn't have a front bench like some of the fullsize. I don't think it would be wide enough

Much speculation on this after GM trademarks 'ZR2 Bison'. No confirmed word direct from Chevy tho. Presumed to pattern the AEV Concept shown at SEMA '17.

Chevrolet Performance Parts has already developed and tested high travel suspension parts, so that could be highly possible. 35's seem excessive, 33's more likely.

Is the fuel economy enough to offset the price difference at the pump?

Or is there a significant increase in payload or towing with the diesel to justify the cost?

I know I could google it, but the economy on the window sticker doesn’t always translate to real world. 

No Time said:

Is the fuel economy enough to offset the price difference at the pump?

Or is there a significant increase in payload or towing with the diesel to justify the cost?

I know I could google it, but the economy on the window sticker doesn’t always translate to real world. 

Just like the move to turbo cars.

It fools the constant speed dyno test, but in the real world, turbo engines do much worse than larger NA engines. 

In reply to z31maniac :

I wouldn't necessarily say that about some of the turbo stuff.  The 1.5 turbo in a newer Civic gets within 3 - 4 real-world mpg on the highway of a 10 year older Prius from what I've seen.  That's pretty darn good. 

And the ecoboost F-150s do burn less gas than the NA V8s.  But only when you're driving it around unloaded and not using all of the power.  Load it up and work it hard and it's just as much fuel (if not more) to make the needed power. 

The smaller turbo engines are significantly better on light load efficiency than the bigger engines due to reduced pumping losses when you're only asking for 25hp. 

Similarly, due to being unthrottled and capable of running very lean, diesels are far more efficient at light load than gas engines.  Look at stationary generators, for example.  At no load, a gas unit may burn half of its full load fuel consumption while the diesel at no load is only burning 1/4 of its full load consumption.