mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/13/13 10:59 p.m.

Not going to go into the whole fastback/hatchback thing. Just trying to figure out which was the first car with an opening rear that was hinged from the roof (this rules out the E-type)

I seem to think MGBGT.. but I am sure somebody beat the brits to it

carguy123
carguy123 UltimaDork
6/13/13 11:00 p.m.

You're going to have to include station wagons with that definition and that goes way back to at least the 1930's

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/13/13 11:06 p.m.

alright.. let's exclude stationwagons/estates.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/14/13 12:15 a.m.

AMC Gremlin in 1970, though the Hornet Sportabout is what all the current 5-door hatches are copying. MGB GT and the Volvo P1800 might pre-date that. Was the Jensen Interceptor a hatch?

JFX001
JFX001 UltraDork
6/14/13 12:43 a.m.

1938 Citroen Traction Avant Commerciale.

Nashco
Nashco UberDork
6/14/13 1:10 a.m.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatchback

car39
car39 HalfDork
6/14/13 9:19 a.m.

Kaiser Traveler http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/1949-1953-kaiser-traveler-vagabond-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1949-1953-kaiser-traveler-vagabond.htm&h=261&w=400&sz=39&tbnid=Dy6QJrYsr3mHXM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=138&zoom=1&usg=__b28dwycXbDvc55ChQHzDZscsPSE=&docid=6ryuUBqbl1rILM&sa=X&ei=USa7UaxJksLgA5CVgcAO&ved=0CDQQ9QEwAQ&dur=1892

bravenrace
bravenrace UltimaDork
6/14/13 11:55 a.m.

Honda S600 coupe came out in 1965.

JamesMcD
JamesMcD HalfDork
6/14/13 11:59 a.m.

Yeah I was going to go with the Kaiser Traveler.

codrus
codrus GRM+ Memberand Reader
6/14/13 12:19 p.m.

An Isetta is a hatchfront, does that count? :)

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/14/13 12:51 p.m.

I've not been able to beat the 1938 Citroen Traction Avant Commerciale in my searches.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/14/13 2:11 p.m.

looks like we have a winner in the French

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand UberDork
6/14/13 2:23 p.m.
Brett_Murphy wrote: I've not been able to beat the 1938 Citroen Traction Avant Commerciale in my searches.

But because it has 4 doors would this be a station wagon? I always thought of hatch backs as 2 doors with the hatch. 4 doors with a hatch = wagon?

carguy123
carguy123 UltimaDork
6/14/13 3:05 p.m.

There were 2 door station wagons too.

JFX001
JFX001 UltraDork
6/14/13 4:46 p.m.

There was an article today that mentioned the Aston Martin DB2 as well. I think it was '52 ( much like the wiki page states ).

Sine_Qua_Non
Sine_Qua_Non Reader
6/14/13 5:14 p.m.
bravenrace wrote: Honda S600 coupe came out in 1965.

I want one if these so bad but I have never seen the for sale. I have seen the convertibles for the S600 and S800 pop up from time to time.

irish44j
irish44j UberDork
6/14/13 9:11 p.m.
bravenrace wrote: Honda S600 coupe came out in 1965.

it's like a weird squashed japanimation version of a Triumph GT6 Mk3...

wlkelley3
wlkelley3 SuperDork
6/14/13 9:19 p.m.
car39 wrote: Kaiser Traveler http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/1949-1953-kaiser-traveler-vagabond-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1949-1953-kaiser-traveler-vagabond.htm&h=261&w=400&sz=39&tbnid=Dy6QJrYsr3mHXM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=138&zoom=1&usg=__b28dwycXbDvc55ChQHzDZscsPSE=&docid=6ryuUBqbl1rILM&sa=X&ei=USa7UaxJksLgA5CVgcAO&ved=0CDQQ9QEwAQ&dur=1892

First time I saw one of these the only thing that crossed my mind was how cool it would be to restomod one of these. Modern chassis under that body would not only be cool but useful too.

ArthurDent
ArthurDent HalfDork
6/14/13 9:20 p.m.

I had a Reliant Scimitar GTE that had a hatchback plus separately fold-able rear seats back starting in 1968. One of the earliest modern style hatchbacks.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UberDork
6/14/13 9:21 p.m.
mad_machine wrote: looks like we have a winner in the French

This statement cannot stand! Please find something else!

iceracer
iceracer UberDork
6/15/13 8:53 a.m.

Wicki differentiates between a hatch and a lift back.

Hatch back having a D pillar and more square.

Lift back is a sedan type with a huge trunk door.

was ready to mention the Kaiser, but.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/15/13 9:03 a.m.

seems that car makers have been experimenting with hatchbacks longer than I realized

PHeller
PHeller UltraDork
6/15/13 9:42 a.m.

I'd say the difference is in overhang.

It seems that wagons have a long overhang, and hatchbacks do not.

BAMF
BAMF HalfDork
6/15/13 4:07 p.m.
ArthurDent wrote: I had a Reliant Scimitar GTE that had a hatchback plus separately fold-able rear seats back starting in 1968. One of the earliest modern style hatchbacks.
Jeremy Clarkson wrote: Princess Ann had one of those.

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