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andrave
andrave HalfDork
11/29/12 8:12 a.m.
93EXCivic wrote: Swap the BP into Festiva with Aspire bits. Scrap remains. Bring Festiva to challenge.

That is a definite possibility. By the time I sell off the parts I've alredy had inquiries about my total budget would be... well... lets just say I could add nitrous and a turbo and a set of race wheels and tires and still be under challenge budget.

andrave
andrave HalfDork
11/29/12 8:14 a.m.
petegossett wrote: I think you definitely have the right idea! I'd strongly suggest some junkyard GSXR ITBs for the BP too.

Thats a cool idea but requires a ton of fabrication. The escort actually featuers the variable intake runners, and from what I've read, they work quite well. Without swapping cams and upping compression I'm not sure the stock intake is leaving much on the table. However, it is big and ugly. But thats ok, its a festiva..

andrave
andrave HalfDork
11/29/12 8:19 a.m.
akamcfly wrote: BP swap is more involved than a B6 variant as it's physically larger than the B6/B3 - which are very similar in size. The level of extra fabrication involved is something you should look in to. I don't know the actual details, but my understanding is it doesn't just jump under the hood and bolt itself up. Otherwise, do it and post pics.

Yeah the guy who posted below is correct, you either need to swap the B3 crank pulley over and apparently that will usually barely clear the frame, or you notch it and plate it. Neither is a problem for me, I'll be pulling the stock b3 pulley before selling it, and I has welder and lots of pieces of plate left around from other projects.

It does bolt to the stock B3 transmission, and apparently that holds up decently unless you drive it like an idiot, which I'll try not to do. If it breaks, aspire/festiva transmissions are around $100 here (and I already have one spare in the aspire, though the final drive is a wee bit shorter).

apparently the tiny 7" clutch disc isn't enough to lease the 120 ponies of the bp so there are (oddly enough) a few aftermarket clutches. The purchase of said $200 spec clutch will be the most significant investment of the project, most likely. Until it needs tires.

My car is carb'd so the wiring for any fuel injected motor wont' be all that difficult, as I'll be pulling the ECU and engine bay harness from the donor, paring off all the accessory circuits, and giving it 12 volts where it needs it, then plugging in the stock escort water temp and tach signals to keep my cluster happy. I'll leave the stock festiva harness in place to handle the lights and etc.

duetto_67
duetto_67 New Reader
11/29/12 8:45 a.m.

if there's that much fab involved, put it behind the front seats of the Festiva ala R5 turbo driving the correct wheels

Dusterbd13
Dusterbd13 HalfDork
11/29/12 8:47 a.m.

In reply to andrave:

do a build thread.

with box flares and huge/wide wheels.

turboswede
turboswede GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
11/29/12 10:19 a.m.

To answer the question in the thread?

call 1-800-GET-JUNK or donate them to the nearest charity and take the write off and move on.

andrave
andrave HalfDork
11/29/12 10:24 a.m.

its already got box flares! how do you not love it?? lol as for wide tires I think a 195 is pushing the limits of the factory fenders. And probably with double the factory horsepower, also pushing the limits of the axles, which are about the thickness of a healthy bic pen.

andrave
andrave HalfDork
11/29/12 10:26 a.m.
turboswede wrote: To answer the question in the thread? call 1-800-GET-JUNK or donate them to the nearest charity and take the write off and move on.

fail, least grassroots answer ever. Escort Gt is a really cool car, festivas are pretty cool cars, even the running aspire has the potential for fire road glory.

If the answer was to scrap anything that didn't come out of the box ready for fun, then there wouldn't even be a grass roots motorsports scene. Just a bunch of D bags in Gti's and WRX's with rusted hoods, yakima racks, and excessive camber.

egnorant
egnorant Dork
11/29/12 10:28 a.m.

I have the same problem except I have 2 Aspires, 5 Escorts and a Capri XR2 turbo with a spare motor. But I have a lot of stuff to clear out in front of them first.

Bruce

xflowgolf
xflowgolf Reader
11/29/12 10:29 a.m.

you're on the right path. upgrade corners, swap motor, rock on! clutch investment is worth it.

would be a riot power to weight wise, and still murder your Excursion... MPG's for days!!!!

This has GRM written all over it. What are you posting for? Get to work! Take some pics.

andrave
andrave HalfDork
11/29/12 10:29 a.m.
volvoclearinghouse wrote: Get $150 for the scrap metal.

you either believe these cars are made of helium infused balsa wood, or you do not have your finger on the pulse of scrap prices.

By the time I pulled batteries, alloy wheels, cats, harnesses, starters, alternators, and aluminum heater cores and radiators, the cars would scrap out around $1000, and thats not selling any parts. And that would be a small tragedy.

andrave
andrave HalfDork
11/29/12 10:30 a.m.
egnorant wrote: I have the same problem except I have 2 Aspires, 5 Escorts and a Capri XR2 turbo with a spare motor. But I have a lot of stuff to clear out in front of them first. Bruce

everyone on the escort and aspire boards seeks the capri turbo for parts, but I think they are pretty cool in their own right. I think if I tell my fiance I'm talking to someone with 2 aspires and 5 escorts she will probably cut the internet cable. lol

andrave
andrave HalfDork
11/29/12 10:33 a.m.
xflowgolf wrote: This has GRM written all over it. What are you posting for? Get to work! Take some pics.

all my work will be outside and its cold!!! plus I'm still waiting on my manuals for the cars, there are a few little oddball things about the early mazda drivetrain, like the axle circlips. I don't want to break anything I won't be able to afford to replace. I plan on starting in on stuff this weekend, its just too dark and too cold after work (and I'm already tired to start with). I think I may start with the suspension, because I very badly want to take my frustrations out on the aspire and try to air it out, but I want the 4x100 and bigger brakes for the festiva. So I'll try to swap the festiva stuff onto it asap so I can beat on the aspire.

bgkast
bgkast GRM+ Memberand New Reader
11/29/12 10:50 a.m.

Trade the escort for a SHO and build a SHOgun! http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/custom-built/1989-ford-shogun/

Hoop
Hoop SuperDork
11/29/12 11:19 a.m.

Swap the 5-speed from the Festiva into the Escort. Sell.

Swap the engine/transmission from the Aspire into the Festiva. Sell.

andrave
andrave HalfDork
11/29/12 11:28 a.m.

none of that E36 M3 bolts up. And the escort has a ton of other problems.

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac MegaDork
11/29/12 11:36 a.m.

You're going to need to transplant ALL the wiring from the Escort to the Festy since it's a carb'd Festy. That would be the easiest, if not the most elegant way.

I like the combine-all-three-and-stir-vigorously idea.

Hoop
Hoop SuperDork
11/29/12 11:36 a.m.

Well then, carry on. As you were.

andrave
andrave HalfDork
11/29/12 1:00 p.m.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: You're going to need to transplant ALL the wiring from the Escort to the Festy since it's a carb'd Festy. That would be the easiest, if not the most elegant way. I like the combine-all-three-and-stir-vigorously idea.

Yeah thats the plan, pull complete escort GT harness, pare all the accessory circuits off it, give it the 12 volt switched it needs, run it in parallel with the stock festiva harness (which, since it was carbed, is fairly minimal as far as the engine bay goes). Let festiva harness control festiva, let escort harness and ecu control escort motor.

I will probably have to run a relay and inertia switch and add a fuel pump to the tank, or add an inline walbro. I may also just swap the aspire tank over, though this would leave the aspire either non running, or running with the escort's tank sitting in the hatch. lol. might be better that way for bouncing down cowpaths anyway.

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic HalfDork
11/29/12 1:06 p.m.

Definitely part the escort and assfire to make the Festiva awesome.

fastoldfart
fastoldfart New Reader
11/30/12 10:21 a.m.

Buy a bus pass?

petegossett
petegossett GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
11/30/12 11:02 a.m.

FWIW I autocrossed an Aspire for a season. It was an automatic, and on crappy stock wheels/tires. Despite all that, I was never the slowest car. 8)

mazdeuce
mazdeuce HalfDork
11/30/12 11:09 a.m.
egnorant wrote: I have the same problem except I have 2 Aspires, 5 Escorts and a Capri XR2 turbo with a spare motor. But I have a lot of stuff to clear out in front of them first. Bruce

Thread jack; sooooo, tell use more about this cache of cars. I happen to know a guy who might be looking for an escort for rallycross.

andrave
andrave HalfDork
11/30/12 11:28 a.m.

I won't consider it a thread jack, I am also curious about this menagery of E36 M3 box.

Alan Cesar
Alan Cesar Associate Editor
11/30/12 8:10 p.m.

Chicago-area LeMons team We Are Not Really From Iran runs a BP-swapped Festiva. It's not quite as fast as my Zetec-swapped '91 Escort, but it is quite a bit lighter probably. Never have scaled my Escort. But if you want to do that swap on the cheap, those are the guys to talk to.

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