fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:ARA has them as a class as well but its very limited participation. Also some states don't allow you to plate the SXS so that makes it harder to transit on public roads.
I feel like by "some" you mean "most". Is plating a SXS common?
ojannen said:In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
I mostly want the street cred.
Agreed on the tires. The rally retreads and the autograss tires seem pretty reasonable. Some of the stuff in Mod Rear is pretty ridiculous.
Back to SxS discussion. How are they on headroom? I am 6'6" with a tall torso and I don't fit in many cars. I ended up bumping out of stock in my current rallycross carso I could swap out a seat to get a little lower. I would like to pass a broomstick test if I pick up one of these.
man, what the heck are you guys running out there? Our giant MR class in DC has pretty much everyone either on real gravels, Maxsports, or the occasional Indysport.
I know there are a few people who throw a lot of money at things on the national level and have lots of really $$ specialized tires that they haul around (Unigoms an stuff like that), but that's a pretty small number. I only personally know one person who has all the crazy tires in MR (Vaughn Micchie, though I assume Brianne does as well - but I dont' know her).
Or are you talking about something else?
eastsideTim said:fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:engiekev said:Interesting what will happen with this. The Detroit Region is already very full without SXS, and MI has hundreds of miles of ORV trails for SXS use. I don't see this taking off at least in our region unfortunately.
not for our region but other regions struggle to get 30 entrants.
with the capability and ease of service I am tempted for my next rally car to be a sxs.
Wow, I just looked up NASA rules. I had not realized there was a SxS class. Seems like a really good idea, as long as they don’t have problems getting permission to transit on roads.
at the rate they're going, NASA Rally may not exist in a few more years.
ARA is apparently allowing SXSs at a few rallies, but only ones in states where it's legal to drive them on public roads (since you have to transit on public roads). NRS events that allow them are in such states, IIRC.
ProDarwin said:Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:They look like a blast, but in my region, one of the appeals of RallyX over autoX is that the fields aren't too big. I never liked spending most of a day to get three runs in, and if the UTVs catch on, they could be a victim of their own success.
Interesting. But small field = less competition = less fun (to me).
I'd rather have 3 runs with high competition value than 6 or 10 runs with nobody to really run against.
Come down to DC. We usually do 8-12 runs with 60+ entrants. It's all about timing efficiency and having courses that can handle multiple cars at once (and having a smooth-running program that doesn't wast time all day like some regions do).
irish44j (Forum Supporter) said:ProDarwin said:Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:They look like a blast, but in my region, one of the appeals of RallyX over autoX is that the fields aren't too big. I never liked spending most of a day to get three runs in, and if the UTVs catch on, they could be a victim of their own success.
Interesting. But small field = less competition = less fun (to me).
I'd rather have 3 runs with high competition value than 6 or 10 runs with nobody to really run against.
Come down to DC. We usually do 8-12 runs with 60+ entrants. It's all about timing efficiency and having courses that can handle multiple cars at once (and having a smooth-running program that doesn't wast time all day like some regions do).
Up. I've run DC a few times several times (I used to live in Oakton). Its a great region, and I would totally run it if I still lived there, but no way in hell am I driving 4.5-6 hours each way to run DC now (where are you guys running now anyway?)
In reply to ProDarwin :
we run at Panthera Training Center in W.Va. and at Summit Point again.
If this season gets going mid-summer, most likely we'll have a bunch of 2-day events to make up for missing 3-4 early ones...so could be worth heading up. It's a much bigger and more competitive group now than you might remember...especially our MR class with 15-20 regulars :)
irish44j (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to ProDarwin :
we run at Panthera Training Center in W.Va. and at Summit Point again.
If this season gets going mid-summer, most likely we'll have a bunch of 2-day events to make up for missing 3-4 early ones...so could be worth heading up. It's a much bigger and more competitive group now than you might remember...especially our MR class with 15-20 regulars :)
If I somehow end up with my hands on a rallyx car, I would consider it. But everything is up in the air this year and that's the least of my concerns honestly.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
Noise is a problem at many sites, which is where the rule about meeting local noise restrictions came in. (Locally we had one site with a 94db restriction.)
Or the rule that says that two certain officials may exclude any vehicle at any time during competition, for any reason. A catchall for all those situations you can't write a rule for in advance. That's why the ruleset is not 400 pages long.
Sounds like Bill France’s catch all rule back in the ‘50s and ‘60s. “...you’re not in the “spirit” of the rules. Now fix it or get out...”. Smokey Yunick hated that.
It just occurred to me that with the Paco long-travel kit, a Miata/Exocet would meet the track width requirement.
Hmm.
ProDarwin said:It just occurred to me that with the Paco long-travel kit, a Miata/Exocet would meet the track width requirement.
Hmm.
i assume rules are going to state production sxs, you have constructors for everything else.
MrChaos said:ProDarwin said:It just occurred to me that with the Paco long-travel kit, a Miata/Exocet would meet the track width requirement.
Hmm.
i assume rules are going to state production sxs, you have constructors for everything else.
Yeah, they don't want Miatas to dominate EVERY class 
MrChaos said:ProDarwin said:It just occurred to me that with the Paco long-travel kit, a Miata/Exocet would meet the track width requirement.
Hmm.
i assume rules are going to state production sxs, you have constructors for everything else.
Yeah, but constructors class sucks.
That said, is anyone running an exocet in that class yet?
ProDarwin said:MrChaos said:ProDarwin said:It just occurred to me that with the Paco long-travel kit, a Miata/Exocet would meet the track width requirement.
Hmm.
i assume rules are going to state production sxs, you have constructors for everything else.
Yeah, but constructors class sucks.
That said, is anyone running an exocet in that class yet?
I don't see exocets being legal under the current ruleset. There has to be a contained driver tub, so you have to have doors. And there has to be full plan-view covering of all four wheels, so you have to have fenders.
By the rules, you'd have to put fender extensions on a Miata to run in Constructor's because they don't cover enough of the wheels radially! And roll cages are mandatory, too.
In reply to irish44j (Forum Supporter) :
Brianne/Dozeman Miata has interesting stuff, especially on the front wheels. They were flirting with ftd on day two across all classes at nationals last year.
Doug Liebman's beetle is on something close to an autograss tire but not exactly an autograss tire
Leon used tractor tires in the mud. He brought studded tires a few years ago (now banned) and is now experimenting with duallies.
I didn't see Vaughn's mud tires.
The rest of the class fell behind once the rain started
Prepared Rear has moved to the Indysport BR as the spec mud tire. They were worth 30 seconds per run over the next obvious tire Indysport SG/Maxsport RB1F. It is only going to take one fast driver to spend $2000 on tires to make everyone do it. All the exotic stuff is still legal. Someone local found a company that would retread a 17" tire carcass with a rally compound so he could run stock brakes on his STI. I assume someone is going to build something silly in the future.
In reply to ojannen :
I still love how everyone focuses on Leon's studded tires. If you watched his runs and compared to the other front drivers, you could see some pretty significant differences in how the car moved, and it was not the tires that were the cause, it was a lot of setup R&D. And of course Leon is a heck of a driver. Two or three years earlier he won MF in an essentially stock 8v Golf.
But people see the tires and fixate on"oh, spent money to win"
If Brianne was near FTD in that Miata, that says more about her as a driver than anything else, IMO. Unless they made radical changes since I saw it, the chassis setup was awful.
The cars don't drive themselves and there is no magic "spend money here for success".
ProDarwin said:MrChaos said:ProDarwin said:It just occurred to me that with the Paco long-travel kit, a Miata/Exocet would meet the track width requirement.
Hmm.
i assume rules are going to state production sxs, you have constructors for everything else.
Yeah, but constructors class sucks.
That said, is anyone running an exocet in that class yet?
someone in etr region will be running a DF Goblin offroad once we are back up and running
Pete. (l33t FS) said:In reply to ojannen :
I still love how everyone focuses on Leon's studded tires. If you watched his runs and compared to the other front drivers, you could see some pretty significant differences in how the car moved, and it was not the tires that were the cause, it was a lot of setup R&D. And of course Leon is a heck of a driver. Two or three years earlier he won MF in an essentially stock 8v Golf.
Isn't winning MF in an essentially stock car not uncommon?
MrChaos said:ProDarwin said:MrChaos said:ProDarwin said:It just occurred to me that with the Paco long-travel kit, a Miata/Exocet would meet the track width requirement.
Hmm.
i assume rules are going to state production sxs, you have constructors for everything else.
Yeah, but constructors class sucks.
That said, is anyone running an exocet in that class yet?
someone in etr region will be running a DF Goblin offroad once we are back up and running
That has the same rules limitations Knurled mentioned above, right?
ProDarwin said:MrChaos said:ProDarwin said:MrChaos said:ProDarwin said:It just occurred to me that with the Paco long-travel kit, a Miata/Exocet would meet the track width requirement.
Hmm.
i assume rules are going to state production sxs, you have constructors for everything else.
Yeah, but constructors class sucks.
That said, is anyone running an exocet in that class yet?
someone in etr region will be running a DF Goblin offroad once we are back up and running
That has the same rules limitations Knurled mentioned above, right?
it has a full cage, and he is adding the fenders/roof/window nets/etc according to the rules. here is one of the goblin a/t's
soooo.... does anyone have experience driving/racing side by sides or have any valuable input on which ones might perform better in rallycross?
Who has driven a Yamaha YXZ? This one is at the top of my list for a couple of reasons- the sequential manual trans seems superior to belt-driven CVT vehicles for performance and reliability - no belts to break. Also, the '16 and '17 models seem to be down around $10k for some of them. This is an easier pill to swallow than some of the outrageous prices on new machines.
In reply to MrChaos :
That thing looks like a ton of fun!
MMMMM
everyone raves on teh yxz's, I think the early ones required the clutch to shift still, the newer ones let you shift without the clutch. I would go with the YXZ or the honda talon with the dct. I am looking at the RZR RS1's because it is $15k new compared to $20k for the 2 seater sxs'
ProDarwin said:fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:ARA has them as a class as well but its very limited participation. Also some states don't allow you to plate the SXS so that makes it harder to transit on public roads.
I feel like by "some" you mean "most". Is plating a SXS common?
Yeah some I do mean Most,
plating a SXS is common up north in michigan.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:In reply to ojannen :
I still love how everyone focuses on Leon's studded tires. If you watched his runs and compared to the other front drivers, you could see some pretty significant differences in how the car moved, and it was not the tires that were the cause, it was a lot of setup R&D. And of course Leon is a heck of a driver. Two or three years earlier he won MF in an essentially stock 8v Golf.
But people see the tires and fixate on"oh, spent money to win"
If Brianne was near FTD in that Miata, that says more about her as a driver than anything else, IMO. Unless they made radical changes since I saw it, the chassis setup was awful.
The cars don't drive themselves and there is no magic "spend money here for success".
I don't know what the "old" setup on the miata was but the couple of times I've seen it run it looked like it didn't drive tremendously well in dry conditions, but when the mud setup went on it was basically just as fast as it was in the dry. If that's not a combination of tires and driver skill, then I don't know what is.
And your point is technically correct, but that's the nature of the sport, and really any competitive setting. Somebody does something unique and wins, and everybody assumes they have to do that same unique thing to even have a chance. Could be magic sauce, could be a minor advantage, could be a disadvantage, people are going to go along with it until they come to the conclusion that it isn't helping...and even then they might keep going with it.
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