MuuMuu101
MuuMuu101 None
1/25/16 11:12 p.m.

So, here's the story. The past couple years, I've been autocrossing on and off with my 2011 Scion tC which is my daily driver. It's what I have so, it's what I run. I have probably done around 8 events within the past 2 years so not too much seat time. When I first ran it, it had a set of Michellin PS2's on it and the fronts wore out much quicker than the rears. Since then, I replaced the fronts with Super Sports, which actually helped me improve my driving a bit and get faster since I was able to play with some oversteer in my FWD car. Now, after 8 events, 3-4 years and almost 30k miles on my rears the tread is starting to show it's age and it's about time to replace them. I was going to throw on some Super Sports to match the front so I can rotate them and even out the wear a bit. The fronts currently have about 5k miles on them and maybe 2-3 events.

Now, since the car I plan on autocrossing soon isn't done yet, I'd like to get in as much seat time as I can in the Scion as my new car is going to be a bit to handle and quite a bit of a learning curve (525ish hp 1968 Dodge Dart racing in CAM-T, I know, "You'll shoot your eye out!"). My question is, what should I do with regards to the Scion?

I plan on running in SCCA's HS with the Scion and here are my options:

1) Continue to run with the Super Sports even though it's going to have a shorter life with daily driver duties.

2) Purchase a second pair of wheels and tires for autocross that are lighter, with wider and stickier tires. I was thinking of a 17 x 7.5" wheel with a 245/45/17 Bridgestone RE-71R. The stock wheel currently 18 x 7.5" that weighs 26.5 lbs with a 225/45/18 tire (SS's are 22 lbs). On Tire Rack I found a cheap, Montegi Racing MR125 that's a 17 x 7.5" (yes, it's within the +/- 7 mm offset tolerance) and weighs only 16.3 lbs. The 245/45/17 Bridgestones weigh 24 lbs. So, in total, I will be saving about 8 lbs per corner. If I really wanted to get crazy with weight savings I could also find a lighter exhaust, but I think that would be a little overkill and I'm not sure I'll be a fan of the tone.

Right now, on my calendar, I have at least 1, if not 2, autocross a month scheduled I live in SoCal, so the events are mostly Hotchkis events and SCCA's Cal Club races. If I really wanted to, I could add the San Diego region to my calendar and hope there's no overlap. Supposedly, the shop working on my Dart says it should be done by mid-March; however, I'm thinking it will be closer to mid-April and hopefully not May. If that's the case, I don't really think it's a great idea to purchase wheels and tires unless I run the Scion at Cal Club and run the Dart in the San Diego region (much larger CAM presence) which wouldn't be bad because I want to get all of the experience I can and get good. Too bad they're not having a Phase One Evo Driving school in SoCal. Well, at least since I last checked.

I know that was long, but what do you guys think?

wbjones
wbjones MegaDork
1/26/16 4:47 a.m.

got no answer for ya .... but welcome to the forum ...

though I run a dedicated set of tires/wheels on my STS set up CRX (my avatar)

Dusterbd13
Dusterbd13 UberDork
1/26/16 5:47 a.m.

I think I'd just stick with the 18s, especially since you have the new cam class dart.

I run either a duster or El Camino in cam when I have the time.

Welcome to the asylum.

gearheadmb
gearheadmb HalfDork
1/26/16 9:35 a.m.

Welcome aboard. I would like to see a build thread on the dart.....Please

ShawneeCreek
ShawneeCreek GRM+ Memberand New Reader
1/26/16 9:52 a.m.

Since you have the Dart coming online soon, I'd just stick with what you have on the Scion. Work on tightening the loose nut behind the wheel :)

MuuMuu101
MuuMuu101 New Reader
1/26/16 10:19 a.m.

That's what I figured. The Dart is going to have a 408 small block matched with a close-ratio T56 Magnum. It has an 8 3/4 rear end with 3.55 gears and an Eaton TrueTrac. Dr Diff brakes front (13" redrilled Mercedes rotors with Brembo knock-offs) and back (Mustang Cobra kit). Mickey Thompson SC-5 wheels, 18 x 9" with 255/40/18 (I'd like to roll the fenders and move the leaf springs in a bit for 275/35/18's). Corbeau seats and a grant steering wheel. Hotchkis TVS with Fox single adjustable shocks and 1.06" T-bars (may even need to go bigger in the future). Exhaust will probably be a make-shift Magnaflow system. Borgeson power steering box. 6-point cage with swing-out arms.

Hotchkis, is currently building it, but is taking a long time for it. The boss seems to put his projects in front of mine.

Basically, all of the money I made during my college internships (I'm an engineer) has gone into making this car pretty ridiculous. It's my college graduation present to myself.

Here's my build thread since I first owned the car:

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1998977/1.html

drdisque
drdisque Reader
1/26/16 4:40 p.m.

The PSS are pretty spendy. Maybe throw those worn PSSes on the back and put something cheaper but still decent on the front (Such as the Continental DW or Direzza ZII Star Spec) if either are available in the factory size.

I really liked the PSS as a road tire on my BMW, but they just completely fell apart even in casual autocross use.

MuuMuu101
MuuMuu101 New Reader
1/26/16 5:45 p.m.
drdisque wrote: The PSS are pretty spendy. Maybe throw those worn PSSes on the back and put something cheaper but still decent on the front (Such as the Continental DW or Direzza ZII Star Spec) if either are available in the factory size. I really liked the PSS as a road tire on my BMW, but they just completely fell apart even in casual autocross use.

The PSS's are fine. Last I recall the PSS's were the same cost as the Direzza ZII Star Specs in the same size.

drdisque
drdisque Reader
1/26/16 6:41 p.m.

In reply to MuuMuu101:

Odd, in my size the Star Specs were like $50 each cheaper.

Maybe Michelin knows how popular the PSS is in OEM BMW fitments and increases the prices on those sizes.

MuuMuu101
MuuMuu101 New Reader
1/27/16 12:23 a.m.
drdisque wrote: In reply to MuuMuu101: Odd, in my size the Star Specs were like $50 each cheaper. Maybe Michelin knows how popular the PSS is in OEM BMW fitments

Straight from Tirerack for a 225/45/18 tire...

Bridgestone RE-71R - $210.86 each, Dunlop Direzza ZII Star Spec - $203.30 each, Michellin Pilot Super Sport - $208.75 each (non-BMW version, BMW version cost $40+ more), and Continental Contisportcontact 5 - $204.30 each.

I like the PSS's as they're pretty decent for autocrossing, lightweight (generally about 2 lbs lighter than the other tires), will last longer daily driving, quieter, and more comfortable on the road than the Bridgestone or Dunlop.

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