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integraguy
integraguy HalfDork
9/30/09 3:29 p.m.

I saw an ad on Craigs today where the seller said they would NOT allow the vehicle being advertised for sale to be driven to an independent mechanic for an inspection. Among the reasons given? The vehicle in question was over 15 years old. They didn't say you couldn't have a mechanic come to the vehicle....just you could not take the vehicle to a mechanic.

To further open up my question....at what point? be it dollar amount and/or vehicle age, would you say to yourself "I'm okay with the risk of buying a potential money pit" and just trust that the vehicle is worth was is being asked.........because? in spite of? the condition.

xci_ed6
xci_ed6 Reader
9/30/09 3:31 p.m.

When I'm paying scrap value or less. That is all.

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe New Reader
9/30/09 3:31 p.m.

When its free.

That's flat out trying to hide something or deeper issues.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/30/09 3:40 p.m.
wearymicrobe wrote: When its free. That's flat out trying to hide something or deeper issues.

+1. And even if it isn't, the seller makes it look that way.

Jay
Jay Dork
9/30/09 5:18 p.m.

I usually DON'T take cars to a mechanic for a "pre-purchase" inspection before I buy them. Actually never bothered to do it.
The fact that the seller explicately forbids doing it would make me want to very, very much.

z31maniac
z31maniac Dork
9/30/09 5:27 p.m.

I'll take a car to the mechanic for a compression/leakdown test and that's it.

Otherwise you should be able to catch anything else. And if you have the tools, the first two are easy to do. I'm just lazy.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/30/09 6:49 p.m.

How much and what kind of car?

74 impala in red oxide primer for $400 that ran ad did not smoke I would forgo the inspection.

I have never taken a car to be inspected. I do it my self. I am just a cheep bastard. In many cases I know more about the cars I am looking at than the local mechanic as they are usually some weird off the wall thing that I have researched for months before I purchase. Otherwise I get cars from the dealer and let the MA lemon law take care of things.

xci_ed6
xci_ed6 Reader
9/30/09 7:11 p.m.

I just like to get them on a hoist, it's much easier to check for damage to the chassis with it in the air.

skruffy
skruffy Dork
9/30/09 8:47 p.m.

When getting cars for free, for scrap, or to part out I don't bother inspecting them at all. For something I'm gonna drive, unless I saw it come off the transport truck from the factory it's getting inspected.

keethrax
keethrax Reader
9/30/09 8:59 p.m.

In reply to integraguy:

I guess, when it's not in drivable condition.

I might not actually take it somewhere, but being forbidden to do so if the car is mobile would be an instant no from me.

As an honest seller, I'd love to have someone else pay to get it inspected.

friedgreencorrado
friedgreencorrado Dork
9/30/09 9:03 p.m.
integraguy wrote: I saw an ad on Craigs today where the seller said they would NOT allow the vehicle being advertised for sale to be driven to an independent mechanic for an inspection. Among the reasons given? The vehicle in question was over 15 years old. They didn't say you couldn't have a mechanic come to the vehicle....just you could not take the vehicle to a mechanic. To further open up my question....at what point? be it dollar amount and/or vehicle age, would you say to yourself "I'm okay with the risk of buying a potential money pit" and just trust that the vehicle is worth was is being asked.........because? in spite of? the condition.

Depends on the price, depends on what kind of vehicle (especially if it's one of your "dream cars"), depends on what would be obvious to me.

$1K 356, Big Healey, Ferrari 400, Jag E-Type or BMW E9, okay...I know there's lots of welding. I know guys who can weld.

$3K Nissan S13, CRX, Miata, Sentra SE-R, BMW E36, maybe not so much.

And my current one wasn't one of my "dream cars", but I've always thought they were cool. And I knew it hadn't run in awhile. Also, I couldn't believe none of the rust was a structural problem.

And of course..I don't need it to get to work tomorrow. Craigslist find, $1300 delivered to my door.

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/reader-rides/1566/

suprf1y
suprf1y Reader
9/30/09 9:04 p.m.

I'm an honest seller. I would not let somebody take a car in for an inspection. Want to bring a mechanic to look at it? No problem.

A mechanic inspecting a car for sale will always try to cover his ass, and err on the side of safety.

Not all mechanics are good.

If you consider yourself a car guy, and you're taking a used car in for an inspection by somebody else...

Paul_VR6
Paul_VR6 Reader
9/30/09 9:11 p.m.
suprf1y wrote: I'm an honest seller. I would not let somebody take a car in for an inspection. Want to bring a mechanic to look at it? No problem. A mechanic inspecting a car for sale will always try to cover his ass, and err on the side of safety. Not all mechanics are good. If you consider yourself a car guy, and you're taking a used car in for an inspection by somebody else...

Exactly. I don't care where you take it, if I own it I know more about the car and what may or may not be wrong with it now or soon then anyone you'd take it to.

littleturquoiseb
littleturquoiseb Reader
9/30/09 9:21 p.m.

I have a simple rule, (typically used when buying a Ba/be Rally car) ... $500 and under it must move under it's own power, shift and stop. $250 and under the vin must match the title and it can't be currently on fire.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/30/09 9:55 p.m.

I havepaid anybody to do a pre-purchase inspection on a car. Usually I show up with a jack, some tools, a magnet, and a good flashlight.

It also helps to bring a friend to help point out the things you missed

MrJoshua
MrJoshua SuperDork
9/30/09 10:06 p.m.

Selling cars attracts all the weirdos. I can see saying you cant take my car, drive it all over town, pay someone money to find whats wrong with a car I know whats wrong with, and then use that to try to drop me to some number waaaaay lower than what is reasonable. I have had 3 pre purchase inspections on cars I have sold. 2 were used by total a-holes to try to drop the car waaaay below market value. The third tried to get me to pay what he paid a mechanic to replace the alternator on the $700 car 3 months after he bought it from me.

Edit-I wouldn't say that in the add though, that's just broadcasting the fact that your an a-hole.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy Reader
9/30/09 10:10 p.m.
Jay wrote: I usually DON'T take cars to a mechanic for a "pre-purchase" inspection before I buy them. Actually never bothered to do it. The fact that the seller explicately forbids doing it would make me want to very, very much.

Also, as mad machine said, do the things he did.

The biggest problem with inspections is that they are done by businesses that WANT your money. They don't serve any real purpose to a car guy, who will do any work himself. But the inspector wants to go "yep, looky here, this car needs $2k in work before you should drive it. We can get it done for $1500, let us know"

HAVING SAID THAT, I always do get title checks done for liens and if it has a rebuilt/salvage title. And anything over $10K I'd be taking to one of my friends who are professionals (yes, that would probably end up with the seller agreeing to a 3 hour drive to Red Deer from Calgary or Edmonton and back).

JeepinMatt
JeepinMatt Reader
10/1/09 1:17 a.m.

I'm immediately very suspicious if they are at all opposed to you checking out the car, even if that includes letting a mechanic see it. I haven't actually taken a car to a mechanic before I've bought one; I just look up common points of wear and failure particular to that car and go over it thoroughly.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/1/09 2:02 a.m.

as I said before.. best tool you can bring with you is a friend. Somebody who is NOT smitten with the car and wants to buy it. They see ALL the flaws

dj06482
dj06482 GRM+ Memberand Reader
10/1/09 10:03 a.m.

+1 on the friend idea, although there are things that you can miss because you're excited. I've done checklists and have gone over stuff, but you really need to divide an conquer. One friend looks for body work, rust, and VIN #s on body panels, and the other looks for leaks and mechanical issues. And of course, both drive it.

When my notchback was on eBay a while ago, a guy came and inspected it (he was affiliated with SGS, the company that does eBay inspections). Basically these are the people who are hired by dealerships to inspect leased vehicles and try to point out as many flaws as possible so that the dealer can low-ball the value of the car being returned to them.

He spent three hours going over every detail on the car, and documented every ding, nick in the paint, speck of dirt in the carpet, etc. in the (17 year old) car. He was even pulling back the trunk panels and taking pictures to look for rust (there wasn't any). It was a very thorough inspection for the $99 the prospective buyer paid. However, it was a huge inconvenience for me (the seller). Luckily I had the day off, but basically the whole thing was a pain in the butt. First, they tell you the date of the inspection, but don't give you a time. They call the morning of and tell you the inspector will call you between 8 and 10 AM. Well, the inspector called me at 10:30 to tell me he'd meet me at 12:30. He didn't show up until about 1:30, and then he spent three hours going over the car. So, basically I spent the entire day sitting around either waiting for a phone call, waiting for the inspector to show up, or waiting for the inspector to inspect the car. I don't know if I'd do all of that again to (potentially) sell a car that had a reserve of half of its true value. After all that waiting, the inspector was supposed to give me a printout of his assessment, but his printer was suddenly "broken."

When we sold our Saab, the seller wanted to have a pre-purchase inspection done. We dropped it off at her mechanic (in our town), they inspected it, and then we sold her the car. It wasn't much of a hassle at all, and it confirmed that we were selling a good car.

I can see both sides. Above a certain dollar amount, if the seller will agree to it, I think an inspection is a very good idea. I would pass on a car that the seller explicitly says he won't let the car being inspected. Chances are he's not hiding something, but had an experience like I had with the eBay inspector. However, IMHO, that's a chance not worth taking.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/1/09 10:36 a.m.

$99 seems like a LOT of money to spend inspecting a 17 year old car. At that point I would only be worried about previous body damage and rust.. not how many dings and stains in the carpet there are

integraguy
integraguy HalfDork
10/1/09 10:49 a.m.

I have to admit that I've never had a mechanic do a pre-inspection....and only got "bitten" REALLY bad, once.

The vehicle in the Craigs ad was a '95 Ranger.

I'm looking for a "lowish" mileage 4X4 Ranger.

keethrax
keethrax Reader
10/1/09 11:04 a.m.
suprf1y wrote: I'm an honest seller. I would not let somebody take a car in for an inspection. Want to bring a mechanic to look at it? No problem.

Ummm...what's the difference?

A mechanic inspecting a car for sale will always try to cover his ass, and err on the side of safety. Not all mechanics are good.

Certainly. But what does that have to do with anything? Is one that comes out (which you're apparently OK with) magically better than one that has the car brought to them?

Unless you've got a lift at home you're willing to let me use, the inspection whether I do it or a mechanic is certainly going to be less thorough. So the only difference I see is that you want to ensure a less thorough inspection, no matter who performs it.

Sounds to me like you're afraid of something cropping up. Even if you aren't that's what it sounds like to a prospective buyer.

If you consider yourself a car guy, and you're taking a used car in for an inspection by somebody else...

Actually, I'm usually getting them taken to someone else for me (at my expense) because I'm generally hundreds if not thousands of miles away.

I've never bothered to have someone else actually inspect a car I've been able to look at personally. But a seller prohibiting it sounds to me like they've got something to hide. I'll pass, and move on to the next car. And if the cost of the car were high enough, you bet your ass I'd want it inspected. I just don't tend to buy those at this point in my life.

keethrax
keethrax Reader
10/1/09 11:09 a.m.
HiTempguy wrote:
Jay wrote: I usually DON'T take cars to a mechanic for a "pre-purchase" inspection before I buy them. Actually never bothered to do it. The fact that the seller explicately forbids doing it would make me want to very, very much.
The biggest problem with inspections is that they are done by businesses that WANT your money. They don't serve any real purpose to a car guy, who will do any work himself. But the inspector wants to go "yep, looky here, this car needs $2k in work before you should drive it. We can get it done for $1500, let us know"

Which is why I avoid the businesses that focus on inspections whenever possible. But anyone who isn't willing to have their car looked at immediately removes their car from my consideration. And even if I do have to go with an inspection place (happened that way a few times) I know what I am and am not concerned with.

dj06482
dj06482 GRM+ Memberand Reader
10/1/09 11:41 a.m.
mad_machine wrote: $99 seems like a LOT of money to spend inspecting a 17 year old car. At that point I would only be worried about previous body damage and rust.. not how many dings and stains in the carpet there are

Especially since I provided copies of the CarFax in the ad and shared the police reports that described the incidents the car was involved in (complete with pictures). Since it was a former Florida Highway Patrol SSP car, I had a ton of documentation.

However, I would say the seller got their $99 worth of an inspection, and then some. Shop rates are generally around $95 in my area, so three hours at that rate would be a lot of money.

As a buyer you have a small amount of money to lose by getting it inspected, which you might recoup with additional bargaining leverage.

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