Where are the factory hot rod trucks?

I want one of these in a bad way!!!

rob_lewis wrote: I have the closest you can get from GM right now in my driveway. A 2014 GMC single cab with the 5.3L and towing package. The tow package got me an LSD and lower rear gear (can't recall the number offhand). I'd love to lower it. Not quite a tuck, but I'd be happy with something close to the same ride height of the '88-'99 models. The truck sits so high that the rear bumper just under my chest and I'm 5'11". The only reason I haven't is that I bought it to tow and don't want to lose the 9500 lb. tow weighting by lowering it. -Rob

I've been suffering from extreme automotive ADD (one minute a Miata, the next a Civic, the next a full size truck) and did some research on lowering and towing. It doesn't appear that you give up much towing capacity with sensible lowering. My truck plan was to buy something that will pull my Club's trailer, make autox runs, then tow the trailer home. I could stuff the kid's kart in the bed.

dansxr2 wrote: I want one of these in a bad way!!!

Me too.

yall now have me cross shopping a Subaru Crosstrek with a RCSB 4x4 chevy truck with a v8 and the towing package. thanks guys.

ddavidv wrote:

kb58 wrote: If I remember correctly, the Ford Lightning had a bed payload limit of 500 lbs, dropping it straight off my "maybe" list at the time. Sporty or not it still has to be a functional truck.

Not sure about that bed limit. Towing limit is 5000#. Loaded up with all my crap for a race weekend the thing has barely any butt sag compared to the old F100 it replaced. Don't know about the 2nd gen Lightning. They still trade for real money.

I seem to recall something about the 1st gen Lightning having what was basically a short wheelbase F350 frame with a mild drop. No idea if that's actually true though.

Chadeux wrote:

ddavidv wrote:

kb58 wrote: If I remember correctly, the Ford Lightning had a bed payload limit of 500 lbs, dropping it straight off my "maybe" list at the time. Sporty or not it still has to be a functional truck.

Not sure about that bed limit. Towing limit is 5000#. Loaded up with all my crap for a race weekend the thing has barely any butt sag compared to the old F100 it replaced. Don't know about the 2nd gen Lightning. They still trade for real money.

I seem to recall something about the 1st gen Lightning having what was basically a short wheelbase F350 frame with a mild drop. No idea if that's actually true though.

It was a worked over F150 from Ford via SVT who brought us the fox Mustang Cobras. I've had some time driving one of these, I believe it was a '93. I thought it was a fun truck, handled surprisingly well considering it's basic underipinnings (think twin I beam front, leaf spring rear). But Ford did quite a few things to them - 5.8 GT40 heads/intake(240hp/340tq), lowered suspension, HD shocks, bigger brakes, 17" wheels, 4.10 rear most likely 9.75" and HD trans to name a few. Good for low-mid 15's in the 1/4. They came in 3 flavors- black, red, white. I tend to see alot more 2nd gens running around here though, chances are 1st gens are headed up in value in no time.

dansxr2 wrote: I want one of these in a bad way!!!

I wanted one in my early teen years..... Still think they are cool.

504hp/550lbft

0-60 4.4.

13.0 1/4

All this and no one buys em.

I only read the title of the thread- sorry if this is a repost, 2017 factory hot rod truck from Ford.

sesto elemento wrote: 504hp/550lbft 0-60 4.4. 13.0 1/4 All this and no one buys em.

How much are the mean Toyota beasts? On my last hunt for a full size 4wd with v8 the first gen Tundras were the go to cheapest answer. By no means the fastest or the heaviest capacity but seemed to check all my boxes.

What's faster than the figures I posted for the tundra? Also keep in mind that those figures are for a 4x4, that truck is available as a 2wd as well, which is probably faster in every measured test.

84FSP wrote:

sesto elemento wrote: 504hp/550lbft 0-60 4.4. 13.0 1/4 All this and no one buys em.

How much are the mean Toyota beasts? On my last hunt for a full size 4wd with v8 the first gen Tundras were the go to cheapest answer. By no means the fastest or the heaviest capacity but seemed to check all my boxes.

about 5k-10k more than the same chevy or ford. and they get significantly worse gas mileage.

sesto elemento wrote: What's faster than the figures I posted for the tundra? Also keep in mind that those figures are for a 4x4, that truck is available as a 2wd as well, which is probably faster in every measured test.

Any of the V8 trucks with superchargers would probably be just as fast or faster. The Tundra is nearly 5000lbs in it's lightest configuration.

Roush makes bolt on superchargers for the F-150 Coyote that take it over 600hp, and that would be in a truck that's several hundred lbs lighter. I'd wager that EcoBoost trucks with minor bolt ons and a good tune would be right there with the Tundra, and for far less money too.

Edelbrock/Lingenfelter/etc make superchargers for the GM twins. An Edelbrock on top of a 5.3 brings 445/421, while putting it onto the 6.2L gets 528hp/496tq. Again, in lighter trucks.

It looks like we have found another category of performance for me to not care about. I'll stick this on the chart somewhere right behind the Veyron but slightly ahead of Italian super cars.

I forgot to mention, but a new 3.5 ecoboost 4wd f150 with a tune ONLY will run 12s in the 1/4.

I like having ridiculous horsepower as much as the next guy, but for some reason it just doesn't seem as necessary in a truck. I've been completely satisfied with the power that my vortec 5.7 K1500 makes (255 hp, 330 ft lbs of torque. ~9 second 0-60 and 17 second quarter.). And I've tried to get more power out of basically every other vehicle I've ever owned. Maybe my expectations of the truck are just different, though. Or Maybe it's just because I haven't experienced ridiculous power in a truck.

Absolutely crazy how fast some of the off the lot trucks are though. Even the 'normal' ones are really pretty solid in a straight line. Quickly looking through some reviews says even a basic silverado with a 5.3 will run a 7 to 7.5 second 0-60. That was performance car territory not that many years ago. I had no idea they had gotten that much quicker.

In reply to gearheadE30:

For a lot of people, the tons of power new trucks come with isn't so the truck is fast when empty, but so it's not irritatingly slow when loaded to the max.

Vigo wrote: I forgot to mention, but a new 3.5 ecoboost 4wd f150 with a tune ONLY will run 12s in the 1/4.

^this would probably the route i would take if i where looking for a new truck to hot rod around it.

Also you can get pretty much any silverado configuration with the 6.2 in it, thats 420 hp out of the box. I had a friend with an extended cab short bed truck (i think it was a 2012) with the 6.2, headers, intake, and a tune for 93 and e85 and it was could scoot, pulled mid 13 second quarters. The 6.2 has been available since 2009 so they can be picked up used as well to keep from paying new truck prices

In reply to edizzle89:

Except for a regular cab, short bed, 2wd apparently

rslifkin wrote: In reply to gearheadE30: For a lot of people, the tons of power new trucks come with isn't so the truck is fast when empty, but so it's not irritatingly slow when loaded to the max.

Ah, I guess that's true - the GVWR of new trucks is probably much, much higher than mine, where the power would really come in handy.

Furious_E wrote: In reply to edizzle89: Except for a regular cab, short bed, 2wd apparently

yea looks like you are right on that, but an extended cab short bed would still make for a fun truck

Huckleberry wrote: It looks like we have found another category of performance for me to not care about. I'll stick this on the chart somewhere right behind the Veyron but slightly ahead of Italian super cars.

You did read the thread title? You are suprised by the content?

Appleseed wrote:

Huckleberry wrote: It looks like we have found another category of performance for me to not care about. I'll stick this on the chart somewhere right behind the Veyron but slightly ahead of Italian super cars.

You did read the thread title? You are suprised by the content?

No. Actually I'm a little surprised that I don't care. I like too much power. I like trucks. This should be a Reese's Cup for me... but I'm really bored by the idea of a 700hp Ram.

Well, E36 M3, man...now you got me confused.