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calteg
calteg SuperDork
3/14/23 8:13 a.m.

TIL they make an AWD Camry. Cheapest one slots in just under $30k...seems pricey for a base Camry, but every new car is expensive now

APEowner
APEowner GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
3/14/23 8:35 a.m.

We bought a Ford Fusion AWD Titanium for my wife.  It's only got 70k miles on it so for so long terms reliability is still an unknown but it's a pretty nice car.  It's quiet and, comfortable, it's got plenty of power and the handling is decent.  

 

calteg
calteg SuperDork
3/14/23 9:24 a.m.

Yeah I've been eyeing the '17-'19 Fusion Sports. Seems like a bit of an AWD sleeper, as long as you don't mind horrendus MPG

bumpsteer
bumpsteer New Reader
3/14/23 9:28 p.m.

My coworker has an AWD IS350 F Sport. I think it's a pretty sharp looking car, like the interior, and seems to be the least boring option if your goal is to maximize reliability while keeping AWD and no German/Subaru. It won't be an IS F but it also is a lot newer, and won't be a Camry either. Stinger seems like a decent idea (G70 3.3T might be your huckleberry here), but the Lexus just seems like a more dependable option.

AWD Lexus LS's and Cadillac CT6s also exist.

For tires, a Crossclimate 2 or Nokian WRG4 might be a good compromise for year-round use. The CC2 especially seems well-liked in the snow where I am.

Edit:

Fusion Sport/Lincolns on the same platform are intriguing ideas but maintenance on a transverse-mounted V6, twin-turbo, AWD car sounds like a special kind of hell to me, and I own three Subarus. I think there's a reason people hate working on 3000GT's.

calteg
calteg SuperDork
3/15/23 9:54 a.m.

In reply to bumpsteer :

Agree on all points. Wife's BFF has an AWD IS350 and it's okay. If I end up getting this gig I'll have access to deeply discounted labor so I'm less concerned about maintenance. 

I think the AWD shortlist is as follows:

IS350

G70 3.3T

Fusion (might be okay with the four cylinder here)

V60 T6

PeterAK
PeterAK Dork
4/5/23 11:45 a.m.

We just bought a new 2023 AWD Camry LE to replace my wife's 2011 Outback (bought new, traded in with 147k miles).  Most Toyota dealers are still marking up over MSRP, but we got ours for $29,100 plus tax (sticker is $31k), with the cold weather (heated seats and steering wheel, heated mirrors with blind spot monitoring, all weather floor mats and trunk liner) and convenience (auto dim rear view mirror, homelink, push button start) packages.  I think it was on the lot for a couple weeks so the dealer marked it down.  Is it exciting?  Not really, but it's comfortable, I am expecting lower cost of ownership than we had with the Subaru, and wow, tech has come a long way in the last decade!

I'm a big Toyota fan--my 2010 Sequoia with 183k miles has been fantastically reliable.  Eying the Grand Highlander as a replacement for the Sequoia in a year or two--it's got more storage space behind the third row than my 2010 or the new 2023 Sequoia's, and the tow rating of 5k would be sufficient for our needs.

APEowner
APEowner GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
4/5/23 11:59 a.m.

In reply to calteg :

I believe she's been getting mid 20s for MPG.  Whether or not that's horrendous is a matter of perspective.

 

calteg
calteg SuperDork
4/5/23 12:08 p.m.

In reply to APEowner :

That's much, much better than fuelly data would suggest. She must have a light foot

APEowner
APEowner GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
4/5/23 12:56 p.m.

In reply to calteg :

She has a much lighter foot than I do.  I also have a notoriously bad memory.  It's entirely possible that I'm wrong about what it's getting.  I'll try and actually look at the running average and get a real number for you.

calteg
calteg SuperDork
4/5/23 5:17 p.m.

moot point, looks like I didn't get the job. Oh well!

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