GameboyRMH wrote: People who specifically want 4 doors almost never care about performance at all and would be upset at a big trans/driveshaft tunnel.
I beg to differ completely. I suspect I'm not the only one...
GameboyRMH wrote: People who specifically want 4 doors almost never care about performance at all and would be upset at a big trans/driveshaft tunnel.
I beg to differ completely. I suspect I'm not the only one...
Ransom wrote:GameboyRMH wrote: People who specifically want 4 doors almost never care about performance at all and would be upset at a big trans/driveshaft tunnel.I beg to differ completely. I suspect I'm not the only one...
+1, which is why I am eying a 335i
nicksta43 wrote: Hell I don't even need 250hp. I would be in love with the wife's Elantra if it was rwd.
Yes indeed mine is even manual, but the lack of RWD is getting to me
In reply to captdownshift:
Iirc the fwd is the only juke with a man trans. Reg awd gets a cvt (im pretty sure) and the nismo gets a gtr-style trans with tq vectoring and paddles and such
Used BRZ with the Innovate blower kit?
Storz wrote: I don't know about that, a 25k rwd sedan with 250hp and three pedals would sell like hot cakes.
You can already get a rwd coupe with 300hp for $22k. Sells ok...
Being that the kind of performance you are talking about sells for over $25k, generally, with 4 doors and FWD, I kinda doubt anyone would really be willing to make a car that sells for less money.
Just checking- the cheapest fusion with a 2.0l turbo I4 is $26k.
alfadriver wrote: Mustang? Ignoring the turbo I4 requrement- fits the bill pretty well. Or if you wait, there's may be an I4 in the future.
No 4 door Mustangs though.
Storz wrote:mazdeuce wrote: Aren't you describing a WRX with no front drive shafts?Yes
You could just do that.
A few months ago GM showed a concept of a small (BMW 1-series sized) RWD sedan that looked production ready. I'm not sure if they will offer it as a 4-door, but it may be your best bet for a new car. If they build it, I'd imagine it will come in around $25-$30K. That isn't a lot of money by today's standards.
I'll chime in as wanting this, but I want it in wagon form. Don't understand why you would get a sedan if a wagon were available.
bigdaddylee82 wrote: Maybe an off lease ATS in a couple years? Starts at $33K. - Lee
This was my first thought.
They're almost there on price already, but fits the bill otherwise. Give it another year and there should be lots at $25K.
Certified pre-owned with 12.5K on it from $27K via AutoTrader:
Storz wrote: I want a 4 door car the size of a Cruze/Focus, that is rwd with a turbocharged 4cly in the 250-300hp range and a 6 speed manual gear box for around 25k dollars. Seems like the first company to make something like this would have a real winner on their hands, I realize some older BMWs etc may come close this but they are older now and new stuff is much larger and obviously more expensive.
It does exist. It's called a WRX with the front driveshafts removed.....there is a blockoff kit out there for the front axles, but no idea where. Not sure what else would need to be done. All the power through the rear wheels might require some beefier rear axles perhaps...
I have toyed with the idea of doing it and competing a WRX in rallycross RWD class 
And then you could put the front axles back in and pull the center diff and compete in FWD the next year and then put it all back together and win AWD the third year!
Well I drove a 2013 WRX today and it was awesome. Everything my 05 RS was and more. I missed the subie grumble and feel more that I realized.
Also drove a Focus ST....dear God its good!! Perhaps fwd isn't so bad after all, years of GM 4 speed slushbox fwd cars had put a bad taste in my mouth but this new stuff is pretty amazing. I just need to drive a Mazdaspeed3 now and choose between it, a Focus ST and the WRX.
In reply to Storz:
Nooooo! You were one of us! Do not go to the dark side! We must stand united, give me RWD or give me death!
In reply to nicksta43: Bwahahahaha
nicksta43 wrote: In reply to Storz: Nooooo! You were one of us! Do not go to the dark side! We must stand united, give me RWD or give me death!
Lol don't fear. If the ATS keeps dropping in price ya just never know.
Ransom wrote:GameboyRMH wrote: People who specifically want 4 doors almost never care about performance at all and would be upset at a big trans/driveshaft tunnel.I beg to differ completely. I suspect I'm not the only one...
Yep, you're one of 8.
rwd fiesta sized car that isn't a sports car is a fantasy. Nissan IDX might come close but it won't have near that power.
Your closest options are 240sx, BMW 318ti, and Mercedes C230. All of which will need work to make that kind of power. None of which are 4 door. All of which are old.
The Merc is a piece of E36 M3 the 318ti is fairly awesome, like a German Miata almost. Lots of 318tis with various i6 swaps that can make the power you want. However it's an old car, like you said.
US version of the car below I don't think got that top like in the pic, it was a hard top only.
If you don't mind an older car and want something that, with a tune, can make 300hp, is turbo, find one of these and import it.
Youtube video inspection of one by a reputable importer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6BBgiShF9k
They are probably the closest car aside from size. Anything fiesta sized in 4 door as a rwd turbo i don't think will ever happen.
If you don't mind AWD there are a couple of other options. Nothing fiesta sized. Lanevo/ralliart, WRX, Delta Integrale, A3, Golf R, etc.
Ransom wrote:GameboyRMH wrote: People who specifically want 4 doors almost never care about performance at all and would be upset at a big trans/driveshaft tunnel.I beg to differ completely. I suspect I'm not the only one...
Yeah, this is not true at all. Performance sedans are a big segment. The whole "2 doors is only performance" era is over and has been for a long time. A number of performance cars come ONLY in 4 doors. EVO and STI come to mind first. I chose the WRX because it was a 4 door car with performance.
G35 and CTS-V both sell more 4 doors than coupes. Lexus IS-F is 4 door only.
Buy non-V Caddy CTS and swap in Turbo Cobalt engine? 
kanaric wrote: rwd fiesta sized car that isn't a sports car is a fantasy. Nissan IDX might come close but it won't have near that power. Your closest options are 240sx, BMW 318ti, and Mercedes C230. All of which will need work to make that kind of power. None of which are 4 door. All of which are old. The Merc is a piece of E36 M3 the 318ti is fairly awesome, like a German Miata almost. Lots of 318tis with various i6 swaps that can make the power you want. However it's an old car, like you said. US version of the car below I don't think got that top like in the pic, it was a hard top only.Ransom wrote:Yeah, this is not true at all. Performance sedans are a big segment. The whole "2 doors is only performance" era is over and has been for a long time. A number of performance cars come ONLY in 4 doors. EVO and STI come to mind first. I chose the WRX because it was a 4 door car with performance. G35 and CTS-V both sell more 4 doors than coupes. Lexus IS-F is 4 door only.GameboyRMH wrote: People who specifically want 4 doors almost never care about performance at all and would be upset at a big trans/driveshaft tunnel.I beg to differ completely. I suspect I'm not the only one...
I actually had a 318ti, great little car
irish44j wrote:Storz wrote: I want a 4 door car the size of a Cruze/Focus, that is rwd with a turbocharged 4cly in the 250-300hp range and a 6 speed manual gear box for around 25k dollars. Seems like the first company to make something like this would have a real winner on their hands, I realize some older BMWs etc may come close this but they are older now and new stuff is much larger and obviously more expensive.It does exist. It's called a WRX with the front driveshafts removed.....there is a blockoff kit out there for the front axles, but no idea where. Not sure what else would need to be done. All the power through the rear wheels might require some beefier rear axles perhaps... I have toyed with the idea of doing it and competing a WRX in rallycross RWD class
Fastest way to ruin a WRX. Guy in our club did this. Engine cantilevered way in front of front axles driving only the rear. No grip.
Storz wrote: I want a 4 door car the size of a Cruze/Focus, that is rwd with a turbocharged 4cly in the 250-300hp range and a 6 speed manual gear box for around 25k dollars.
I decided to pick this apart a little bit further to see how close the ATS is. (per Edmunds...)
Cruze:
L: 181"
W: 70.7"
H: 58.1"
curb weight: 3093 lbs.
Focus ST:
L: 171.7"
W: 71.8"
H: 58.4"
curb weight: 3223 lbs.
Cadillac ATS 2.0T RWD:
L: 182.8"
W: 71.1"
H: 55.9"
curb weight: 3373 lbs (with automatic, no manual weight spec listed...)
In summary, I was surprised how close in size the ATS actually is to the Cruze. I'd imagine the manual trans is a few pounds lighter than the auto, but the added drivetrain parts to make it RWD add mass (and a few fancier "Caddy" luxuries) compared to a fwd Cruze. That said, at 272hp/260ft.lbs. from the factory, and nearly identical size, it's double the output of a 1.4T Cruze (138hp/140ft.lbs.) which more than makes up for a few extra pounds.
With 1 year old CPO cars sure to fall in the "around $25,000" requested, I'm not sure if there's a better fit on the market.
I always felt the BMW 318ti would make a great candidate in this segment but its kinda goofy looking if you stare at it too long.
Even lowered and modified it looks funny.
Now the ATS on the other hand...yowza
Storz wrote: I want a 4 door car the size of a Cruze/Focus, that is rwd with a turbocharged 4cly in the 250-300hp range and a 6 speed manual gear box for around 25k dollars. Seems like the first company to make something like this would have a real winner on their hands, I realize some older BMWs etc may come close this but they are older now and new stuff is much larger and obviously more expensive.
I would love to hear your business case to the board of directors for this product?
That aside, it seems that NISSAN is threatening to build what you ask for.
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