Javelin wrote: The original:
Back in 1990 I was living in Ann Arbor for the summer. I had an 85 Tercel that I would do some autocrossing with on free weekends. One evening after an event the car was in the driveway and the shoe-polish numbers were still on the windows...a guy walked by and we struck up a conversation. He was living in Ann Arbor and was doing a summer internship at GM. He was from Missouri and as it turned out was highly involved with the FSAE program at Rolla. We talked a little more and he said that he was going to take his street car up to Waterford Hills the following weekend for a Solo event. I said that I was going to go as well--with the Tercel. He asked if I wanted to go with him--I could co-drive in his '69 Camaro, which he explained had some cool things done to it. It had a newer fuel-injected Corvette 350 and a Doug Nash 5 speed, was lowered and was on Trans-Am GTA basketweaves and Goodyear DOT Gatorbacks. It was Red Devil Mk I and he was Mark Stielow.
kreb wrote: I say all power to it - especially when its stuff like Pat's car above. My only objection are the market-tested-hype-king names. "Protouring" and "Streetfighter"? Please. COCTH works better for me (cool old cars that handle)
So "g-machine" then (as in street machine, the 80's term for a modified muscle car, that can corner "pull g's")?
In reply to ST_ZX2:
Did you really get to drive it?!? Stielow is the king of Pro Touring, I love his cars (though I really, really wish he'd stop doing 1st Gen Camaro's).
Javelin wrote: In reply to ST_ZX2: Did you really get to drive it?!? Stielow is the *king* of Pro Touring, I love his cars (though I really, really wish he'd stop doing 1st Gen Camaro's).
Yes, and I was a little faster than he was too.
From Bring a Trailer this AM:
RIP Tom
red5_02 wrote: My favorite Mustang ever
That's not really a PT car, it's a race car, but I like it too.
red5_02 wrote: Also, why do the Firebirds always looks way cooler than the Camaros?
Because they are.
Haha that car was just to show how cool Maier racing is. The blueone after it was built by them as well.
Flat Bastard:
Green Brick:
In reply to slantvaliant:
I had a '69 similar to that green one years ago. A guy from New York brought it in to our shop. We found it had a hole in one of the pistons in the 318. I bought it from him for $100 and later put a 340 in it. I had green wheels and dog dish hubcaps, and larger tires on the rear. A real (cheap) sleeper.
In reply to red5_02:
Yeah, I'm familiar with Maier. I run their suspension in my Mustang.
I also keep having naughty thoughts about what Id like to do to an 80s era caprice coupe
Great thread Guys! I certain feel I am part of the Protouring movement, for better or worse, and would love to comment on a few points I read here. First and formost, Protouring is what you make it. Don't be a hater and know there are always those that can spend more money. Build what you like and most of all, ENJOY what you have. So far I have built two cars that I can Protouring. I don't want to bore you with all the details of either, but you can google my name and 1965 GTO or my name and 1972 Charger. Those two cars are complete opposites as far as build and purpose goes but both fit the genre. The GTO started out to be a strickly driver and was that pretty much. Some bling, but know it had over 20K miles put on it in 4 years. The charger was built with more track time envisioned and has seen a lot of track time. Both cars were built to be road cars and the charger has 25K miles on it now, including two trips to SEMA from Pigeon Forge and both times the car was part of the OUSCI. You don't have to race your car to be protouring, but it certainly adds to the fun of having a capable car. We have started a series that some of you guys have been part of. Check out our website www.americanstreetcarseries.com and come to an event near you next year if you want to see the DSE, Ridetech and other manufacturer cars get beat on. GoodGuys is another place to check out the action, but usually those are very small autocross setups. Still a great place to get your feet wet. I read the question about wheels, etc. Here is the right answer. While some go bigger, the size most of us run are 18 inch. Much bigger and you lose tire quality and selection. Any smaller, and you have a hard time fitting the huge brakes we run. BF Goodrich and other companies make tires in the sizes we run, so no problem there, you just need to take that into consideration when designing your car. As far as the high dollar parts, etc. know this. There are always people that want to be the best, fastest, etc. For those guys, there are the parts now to enjoy winning. However, there are all types of front ends and brakes and parts for all budgets and you can find something that improves your car, within your budget. Even some used parts of other cars, such as spindles off a caprice really help on a chevelle if you get the right parts and want to do it on the cheap. I, like most of you, just HATE to see every other car on ebay touted as ProTouring when all they have done is cut the springs and bought a set of Torque Thrust IIs and bolted those on. I was around for ProStreet too and hated the same thing then. However, the true protouring guys are for real, love to talk about our segment of the hobby and don't mind calling out posers. Before you judge someone just on looks, come out and check out what it is we love to do. Either on a cross country tour, or track day. Or better yet...... BOTH! Thanks, BIll
ClemSparks wrote:xflowgolf wrote:I've had pretty much this (and/or maybe the previous body style...'60-'66) kind of build going in my head for a deacade now. It's already got state of the art NASCAR rear suspension technology*
Clem *yes...I know better.
Thank goodness, I'm not the only one. I've got the truck already, just haven't done it yet...
Anyone got any pictures or details on the suspension of that truck?
Not good for hauling...unless its ass.
bravenrace wrote:
as gorgeous as that Firebird is (and it IS pants-tighteningly sexy), I in no way believe that a car with an undercarriage AND engine compartment cleaner than a surgeons operating table ever sees even 7/10s on a track, let alone, appreciable time on the road. All I see is an unused, gazillion dollar automotive garage decoration...I have no love for trailer queens
4cylndrfury wrote: as gorgeous as that Firebird is (and it IS pants-tighteningly sexy), I in no way believe that a car with an undercarriage AND engine compartment cleaner than a surgeons operating table ever sees even 7/10s on a track, let alone, appreciable time on the road. All I see is an unused, gazillion dollar automotive garage decoration...I have no love for trailer queens
Everything is new at one point. As long as it has the right stuff, it's ready to get whipped on. It's just not used up yet ;-p
PHeller wrote:
Not good for hauling...unless its ass.
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Yeah, I want to go about 75% this crazy on my truck (maybe 45% if this guy's running a full space frame, which looks likely).
Slight hijack - but what does it take to drive in a Good Guys autocross? The one I went to was pretty hundrum in terms of racing, but there were some extremely neat cars there. But only a dozen or so - I imagine that hundreds of people would like to compete.
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