Will a Hyundai Genesis turbo blow up on me in a few years?

Thinking about getting a used 2012 Hyundai Genesis. They going for about $15k or so CPO, Ideally I'll get a 2012 one and own it until for about 6 or so years. It's the right sort of mix between -

-Big sports cars

-The manual is horrible so I hear, so I won't feel bad getting the auto that I secretly want

-Cheap, it's my first sports car so I'm sorta worried about depreciation and cost of owning. But whatever (lil voice inside the back of my head says get the accord v6, but front wheel drive i just cant)

-The 10 year drive train warranty is actually something I'd use since I only drive 5-7k a year, the extra years over other manufacturers is nice

-RWD

-BRZ too expensive. FRS too angsty teenager.

I want the 2.0T model because I can get the basic one and be happy with that. However, I've never owned a turbo because I always associated them with being expensive to have serviced and can heat up and break eaisly. So I was possibly thinking about getting the 6cyl. However, the 6cyl comes with a bunch of crap I dont want like sat nav, leather seats, manual gearbox, moon roof, heated seats.

Isn't the whole point of that 10-year warranty that it's someone else's problem?

For the most part, turbo engines are no more or less reliable than anything naturally aspirated. In fact, two of my highest mileage vehicles were turbos: a Saab and an Audi I had both made it real close to 300k on the original engines and turbos, and still ran great when I sold them. Just use good synthetic oil, change it often and don't beat on the car before it warms up all the way.

Automatics aren't a bad choice for turbo engines either, because they keep the boost up between shifts.

Ten year warranty is non-transferable; only the original purchaser gets that. After that it is a 3 year / 36K mile standard warranty. But CPO may be different; do your homework.

the answer to the original question: only if you drive it right..

Cpo thru a Hyundai dealer might actually be 10/100k. I know that's what kia has for cpo's. Ends up making it a better warranty than if you bought new....cpo with 30k miles = warranty to 130k

Twenty (thirty?) years ago there were aftermarket "turbo timers" that ran the engine a while to allow them to cool down properly.

Do factory Turbo cars have those now?

OHSCrifle wrote: Twenty (thirty?) years ago there were aftermarket "turbo timers" that ran the engine a while to allow them to cool down properly. Do factory Turbo cars have those now?

Don't really need them. First, turbos are all water cooled- so it would be really hard to get the oil bearings so hot that they cook. Second, in addition to that, most of them are designed to percolate which is just like a passive turbo timer- circulating the coolant through the warm turbo.

Pretty reliable overall. Only one big issue I've encountered:

Google driveshaft vibrations on them. It's a $1000 driveshaft that has to be replaced if its out of round more than a few thousandths, many dealers will tell you its the tires, replace them and its still there. Then they'll make up an excuse that they can't feel what you're talking about.

I work at a big used car dealer and went through this with a 20k mile Genesis coupe. They should have covered it but the Hyundai dealer in Centerville, OH is berkeleying incompetent.

I put a driveshaft on myself(at my company's expense) and fixed it.

All 4cyl/V6/auto/manual have had issues from my research.

Sounds like Turbo will be Ok then.

I want the 6 cyl but dont want all the extra crap it comes with.

flatlander937 wrote: Pretty reliable overall. Only one big issue I've encountered: Google driveshaft vibrations on them. It's a $1000 driveshaft that has to be replaced if its out of round more than a few thousandths, many dealers will tell you its the tires, replace them and its still there. Then they'll make up an excuse that they can't feel what you're talking about. I work at a big used car dealer and went through this with a 20k mile Genesis coupe. They should have covered it but the Hyundai dealer in Centerville, OH is berkeleying incompetent. I put a driveshaft on myself(at my company's expense) and fixed it. All 4cyl/V6/auto/manual have had issues from my research.

Ok, that actually explains something. Because one of the Genesis I drove had some vibrations which I felt through the steering wheel. Walked away from the car because of that. I thought maybe it had a bald spot on the tire.

failboat wrote: Cpo thru a Hyundai dealer might actually be 10/100k. I know that's what kia has for cpo's. Ends up making it a better warranty than if you bought new....cpo with 30k miles = warranty to 130k

Hmm it is 10/100k. But on the original sale. Which still works out OK for me.

In reply to alfadriver:

Interesting. Thanks

So around town just cruising will i notice the LSD, brembo breaks, and sports suspension of the track model? I should probably just stick with the base model. Maybe get the track package if I were to actually "track", which I probably won't. As I cannot afford to crash it. I'll bring my p71 to the track.

In reply to Coldsnap:

LSD is good for winter/snow, but IIRC you don't have to deal with that. C&D said the sport suspension was really harsh for daily driving, and the Brembo brakes are phenomenal but more expensive to service. So basically you need none of those things.

That said, I usually go for the opposite route as you: cushy sedan daily driver, sports car weekend driver/track car. If you want to try having a sports car daily driver and cushy sedan track car though, by all means, have at it!

The LSD is pretty meh in these, even being a torsen. I wouldn't waste my money and would put a clutch type diff in myself.

Also, $15k seems like WAY TOO MUCH MONEY for a 2012. The 2010-2012 are worthless nowadays what with the DI turbo models in 2013 which have also depreciated like rocks because hyundai.

My friend bought a new 2013 Genesis 2.0T base model (which is pretty loaded). He has no regrets, it makes amazing power with basic bolt ons and a tune and knocks down 35usmpg on the highway... while making 300whp. Its kinda crazy.

I find them incredibly cold feeling cars though. They don't have much "feel" and they really wrap you in a cocoon when you sit in them. I personally wouldn't buy one, especially at that price point, I'd be buying a 5th or 6th gen Corvette.

Run me through why the 2.0t 2012 isn't good anymore? That might actually help me negotiating a price.

In reply to Coldsnap:

This article covers everything pretty well...but basically the 2013 got 64 more horsepower and a bunch of other tweaks.

http://m.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-hyundai-genesis-coupe-first-drive-review

Shouldn't a '13 BRZ be a little more than the Genesis Coupe you're looking at? I've seen them for around $16K. I took a close look at a '12 Genesis Coupe, and the interior looks a little cheaper than the '13. I want to see if the dealer will let me sit in it to confirm this. Also, if you secretly want the auto, don't worry about the manual. Get what you want. Also, drive a manual anyway to know for yourself how much you do or don't like it. Many people have mentioned on this board that the FR-S/BRZ are average, and I don't come to that opinion at all.

I think if I talked myself into a 2013 price I'd get a brz. The fake hood vents are really ugly.

The 2012 falls well into the $ 13-15k for a CPO. That I can afford.

I drove a 2012 and them immediately a 2013. The 2013 was more powerful but I enjoyed the 2012 too.

I think the 2013+ GC in general is really ugly. It's a shame they tried to give it the Veloster nose, it was SUCH a handsome car before the restyle. In my dreams 2013 would have been the crossover year with the old body and all the performance/interior improvements, but alas...

I'm half looking into a 2.0T/manual myself but will more than likely end up with a FR-S or PRHT MX-5 unless I can find a screaming deal. Just too...large for my tastes. I don't need a coupe almost as big as my E39!

I dont know if this is still the case, but the first couple of years for the 2.0T were a mitsubishi design. If you look up the motor code it is a 4B11 which is the same thing as the Evo 10. I cant speak to quality.

NordicSaab wrote: I dont know if this is still the case, but the first couple of years for the 2.0T were a mitsubishi design. If you look up the motor code it is a 4B11 which is the same thing as the Evo 10. I cant speak to quality.

That's because it was developed under the "Global Engine Alliance" between Chrysler, Mitsu, and Hyundai. Hyunda Theta, Mitsu 4B1 and Chrysler "world motor"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Engine_Alliance

I test drove PRHT MX-5 a day before the Genesis. Miata was a bit too small for my liking and felt really underwhelming compared to the G37 or Genesis. I think the "bigness" to the Genesis appeals to me as I DD a Nova then a Crown Victoria, so I'm used to bigger cars with more room.

I'm sort of happy now though, I thought RWD muscle/sports cars were a thing of the past. The modern mustangs and chevys do nothing for me, so I thought it was sort of just dead. Didn't know the FRS/BRZ/Genesis combo was hiding from me.

Good news, I can try out the 5 speed because as of today I now can drive manual. Spent a few hours with my friends Golf again and got it down pretty good. As recommended here, playing with the clutch without introducing any gas was a real "ah-ha" moment for me.

2013 BRZ's are $19-24k cars in my area. Some reason going from $13-15k to $20k+ is BIG difference to me. Can't afford that car right now. And from this information I see, I actually think it's now possible to talk a Genesis Coup 2012 down to $14k or so. I'm thinking for $14k what else in the 2012 year would be good? I'm coming up with nothing. I want a newish car and a warrenty on the drive train.

Coldsnap wrote: 2013 BRZ's are $19-24k cars in my area. Some reason going from $13-15k to $20k+ is BIG difference to me. Can't afford that car right now.

It is a big difference. I have nothing for you as far as options, but I just wanted to chime in and commend you for setting your limit and sticking to it. Too many people impulse buy themselves into a hole these days. Good for you and good luck.

SeanC wrote:

Coldsnap wrote: 2013 BRZ's are $19-24k cars in my area. Some reason going from $13-15k to $20k+ is BIG difference to me. Can't afford that car right now.

It is a big difference. I have nothing for you as far as options, but I just wanted to chime in and commend you for setting your limit and sticking to it. Too many people impulse buy themselves into a hole these days. Good for you and good luck.

thank you sir! I think it's because my second job for walking around money is selling TVs. The manufactures are really damn smart at making each upgrade only $100-200. So I noticed like cars each upgrade is "only" a few grand away, really easy to start at $10k and end at $20k.

HiTempguy what happened, from what I remember you were pretty positive on the Genesis.

14-15k is C5 Corvette territory.

Or BMW 3 series E90-92(or E46 of course).

Exit: this assumes throwing "newish" out the window. C5s are a LOT of fun and hard to beat for the money.