I know that something weird happened to Krylon, ended up being mostly vehicle and no pigment at all, then got dropped from nearly every shelf in New England, but now Rustoleum ? ! ? !
No matter how long or little time you give after the first coats, it ALWAYS craizes over on the next coats. If waited one day, two, three, four. ALWAYS makes a mess of what almost looked decent the first time around.
Unfortunately it takes SO damned long to dry, that you always find a thin area that needs more paint long after it's "dried."
Anyone work for them? Anyone have a clue as to why they now SUCK so much ? ! ? ! Anyone know what the Hell ever happened to Krylon and if they're ever gonna fix their formula and come back?
Very, VERY frustrated here and sick and tired of having to paint and ruin and strip and paint again every little bracket on this damned car ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
TC
Most likely, VOC regulations.
Oh good, I thought it was just me.
VOC regs are killing all of the aerosols (which is why I have a massive strategic reserve of the good stuff).
Honestly, I expect all paint to be water-based only before 2020.
Sadly I discovered that even my local hardware stores were all carrying the line this past weeked. Years back when I was at Autozone they replaced the Duplicolor line with Rustoleum, can't say I blamed customers for walking right back out that door when they found that out.
Weird......still have duplicolor, rustoleum, and krylon here.
Haven't used anything other than flat black high temp grill paint in years though......that stuff works on everything and doesn't really come off
I'm pretty sure my local Autozone has Duplicolor still as well. They did have a big sale on Rustoleum a little was back though. Not that I notice too much- all I've used lately has been cheap truck-bed liner ($5.60 per can from Big Lots when they have their 20% off sales 
).
FYI - Summit Racing carries a ton of Duplicolor products.
I do site visits in abandoned buildings and plants sometimes. If I ever find a good can of paint, its mine. I scored an old can of Valspar once., It looked great on my brake and clutch arms...until brake fluid got to it.
yamaha wrote:
Weird......still have duplicolor, rustoleum, and krylon here.
Haven't used anything other than flat black high temp grill paint in years though......that stuff works on everything and doesn't really come off
The BBQ stuff is great, painted my turbo manifold with it 2 years ago, thing has been glowing red more times than I can count and it still looks pretty good.
I have noticed the regular stuff not doing as well as it used to though, although at this point I've kinda stopped caring too much as long as it doesn't rust. Unfortunately the suspension arms I sand blasted and painted last year are rusting already.
The VOC thing is getting bad, we can't dispense washer fluid anymore. The % is to high to dispense in Ohio, can't imagine what Cali is like!
Hal
Dork
10/9/12 3:47 p.m.
Javelin wrote: Honestly, I expect all paint to be water-based only before 2020.
From what I was told by a paint salesman when I worked in the hardware store it is going to be sooner than that.
Javelin wrote:
VOC regs are killing all of the aerosols (which is why I have a massive strategic reserve of the good stuff).
Honestly, I expect all paint to be water-based only before 2020.
May be for over the counter paint, but most factories have figured out how to turn the volitiles into heat/power, which eliminated the VOC's.
Since it's still pretty common to smell paint shops (which one should not be able to do with the rules)- well....
Um, no. I'm in the business. No one is burning paint fumes for heat that I have ever seen. And the regulations govern VOC content as applied.
VOC limits as a generic statement have been going into effect for several years now. For paints, automotive in particular, it's next year for many areas.
NOHOME
Dork
10/10/12 8:21 a.m.
And to think...the North American public is paying large sums of money to a supposedly highly skilled group of people to try and figure out where all the manufacturing jobs in North America have gone?
Hell, we as a voting public seem to have demanded that they be abolished in case they stink or pollute or in any way impinge upon nature. Can't even be trusted with a can of spray paint anymore.
foxtrapper wrote:
Um, no. I'm in the business. No one is burning paint fumes for heat that I have ever seen. And the regulations govern VOC content as applied.
VOC limits as a generic statement have been going into effect for several years now. For paints, automotive in particular, it's next year for many areas.
Well, the Ford plants around here do. Maybe the plants you work in need to find a better way.
edit- here's a 3 year old article about a Flex plant- http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0806_ford_flex_paint_fumes/
funny, when I do a google search, all I find is a slew of Ford plants that use that technology. Use a currently better painting technolgy, and use the bad fumes for good use. Pretty cool.
NOHOME wrote:
And to think...the North American public is paying large sums of money to a supposedly highly skilled group of people to try and figure out where all the manufacturing jobs in North America have gone?
Hell, we as a voting public seem to have demanded that they be abolished in case they stink or pollute or in any way impinge upon nature. Can't even be trusted with a can of spray paint anymore.
would you live next to a paint shop you could smell? Honestly. For 20-40 years. you think that would be ok for you?
Well, the Ford plants around here do. Maybe the plants you work in need to find a better way.
edit- here's a 3 year old article about a Flex plant- http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0806_ford_flex_paint_fumes/
Read the article, look up the things they describe if you don't understand them. Then you'll understand a bit better.
It's run of the mill carbon bed adsorption controls. The author is spinning the normal bed stripping as a wonderfull paint fume to energy article by stretching and twisting things.
It's roughly akin to claiming your car gets better gas mileage because the refinery has improved their practices.
SkinnyG
HalfDork
10/10/12 9:30 a.m.
alfadriver wrote:
would you live next to a paint shop you could smell? Honestly. For 20-40 years. you think that would be ok for you?
You'd only need one beer to get drunk at night.
NOHOME wrote:
And to think...the North American public is paying large sums of money to a supposedly highly skilled group of people to try and figure out where all the manufacturing jobs in North America have gone?
Hell, we as a voting public seem to have demanded that they be abolished in case they stink or pollute or in any way impinge upon nature. Can't even be trusted with a can of spray paint anymore.
There are always unintended consequences of any decisions. Our problem is most people can't look at the big picture. They only see the part that effects their own little life, not considering what detrimental consequence could come as a result of a decision or action.
alfadriver wrote:
NOHOME wrote:
And to think...the North American public is paying large sums of money to a supposedly highly skilled group of people to try and figure out where all the manufacturing jobs in North America have gone?
Hell, we as a voting public seem to have demanded that they be abolished in case they stink or pollute or in any way impinge upon nature. Can't even be trusted with a can of spray paint anymore.
would you live next to a paint shop you could smell? Honestly. For 20-40 years. you think that would be ok for you?
I love the smell of automotive paint....I have lots of health issues I can't explain...
NOHOME
Dork
10/10/12 9:45 a.m.
alfadriver wrote:
NOHOME wrote:
And to think...the North American public is paying large sums of money to a supposedly highly skilled group of people to try and figure out where all the manufacturing jobs in North America have gone?
Hell, we as a voting public seem to have demanded that they be abolished in case they stink or pollute or in any way impinge upon nature. Can't even be trusted with a can of spray paint anymore.
would you live next to a paint shop you could smell? Honestly. For 20-40 years. you think that would be ok for you?
Just so we get this out front. I am VERY cynical.
I believe ALL charities are a scam to line the pockets of the management.
I believe that our traffic and insurance rules do not put the public good ahead of revenue collection
ALL politicians are in it for the money and could care less about the electorate except for how to separate them from their income.
I believe that much of our environmental hysteria is just that and that it chases jobs out of the country.
Now, back to cars, cause I believe they are actually fun.
NOHOME wrote:
I believe that much of our environmental hysteria is just that and that it chases jobs out of the country.
Whoes? I'm here in the US, working on environmental stuff. I know quite a few highly paid engineers here in the US working to meet various regulations.
Cars are still made here.
Heck, stuff is still made here.
With healthcare such a big politcal debate, I'm not sure why one would want to increase health risks. I surely would not.
I belive that a lot of the "anti" EPA stuff are people who think they can job the system by not meeting requirements, and claim that they can move their stuff overseas. But that's just me, I guess.
foxtrapper wrote:
Well, the Ford plants around here do. Maybe the plants you work in need to find a better way.
edit- here's a 3 year old article about a Flex plant- http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0806_ford_flex_paint_fumes/
Read the article, look up the things they describe if you don't understand them. Then you'll understand a bit better.
It's run of the mill carbon bed adsorption controls. The author is spinning the normal bed stripping as a wonderfull paint fume to energy article by stretching and twisting things.
It's roughly akin to claiming your car gets better gas mileage because the refinery has improved their practices.
What I read was a system that is capable of using VOC based paint in an economical manner which also meets environmental regulations. Hype it may be, but the fact that cars are made that way does point out that it's cost effective enough as well as legal.
