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Steve
Steve Reader
10/6/23 12:57 p.m.

As evident by some of my threads lately, chatter about reliability, E39's, etc. There is an opportunity to purchase a 540/6, second owner, around 170k. I've recently sold my MS3, and the 540/6, E39's in general, have always been on my bucket list. 

I'm about 40 (March), with two kids, 4 years and 1.5 months, wife, stable operations job, moderately short commute. In short, everything chugs along really well, we're financially stable, own our home, can afford to save and have fun all at the same time. 

Most of our driving is around town, or not at all. We occasionally have to jaunt down the interstate to go on a road trip or catch an island ferry. But realistically, we don't drive that far very often, and use our bicycles for a lot of local travel

The current vehicles are a 2006 Sienna with 150k miles, and a 2000 LX470 with 320k (not a typo). Both are as reliable as an anvil. These choices weren't a mistake, we love both cars, and have no need or want to replace them. 

So here I am now, knowing full well that a E39 540 is really not an ideal daily driver, which is how I would want it to be used, but also understanding that they are not making any more of them, I am not getting any younger, and I have an incredible safety net backup of two near bulletproof Toyota platforms. 

This one isn't a very expensive example, is pre facelift, and with some better marketing and photos, could sell for more than the purchase price. It has been well maintained and has the chain/guides done in the not so distant past. Sure it has some small issues to fix, AC doesn't work, instrument cluster is a little twitchy, probably other things. But it's complete, runs well, and looks great. I have a longish history of euro cars, E36s, Volvos, VW's, and am no stranger nor do I mind turning a wrench to keep a car on the road. 

I got here, about to pull the trigger on the E39, from simply thinking about the unknown unknowns around any potential vehicle purchase, and the scarcity of time. I could purchase a more practical choice, an Outback, or a Prius, or some other appliance. And then my mind would swim with when the HG's may go, or the hybrid battery may fail. Volvo was on my list too, but that also has it's own challenges, of course. 

In truth, I understand that I am trying to rationalize what I understand to be a fundamentally poor choice for a daily driver as labeled by the masses. And then I read about an owner with a quarter million miles on their E39 and I ask why they are different. They may be different because they dump money into the car, but is that any more unique than someone with a 200k mile Outback that needs an engine out reseal and a transmission made of glass? I dont' expect to keep the hood closed for a year, that's not my expectation with any of my vehicles, nor is it the way I think about cars. 

I want to own, experience, and possibly grow to hate a 540/6. People say it's a bad idea, I trust some of those people, but like a girlfriend you met at a punk show who you're just a little afraid of, you still might make the choice to go down that road because you're only on this stupid rock once, and you better try and get what you want done or get slapped in the face trying. 

What about you? Do you have a "I know this is a bad idea but I just don't give a damn." car? 

RyanGreener (Forum Supporter)
RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) Reader
10/6/23 1:00 p.m.
Steve said:

As evident by some of my threads lately, chatter about reliability, E39's, etc. There is an opportunity to purchase a 540/6, second owner, around 170k. I've recently sold my MS3, and the 540/6, E39's in general, have always been on my bucket list. 

I'm about 40 (March), with two kids, 4 years and 1.5 months, wife, stable operations job, moderately short commute. In short, everything chugs along really well, we're financially stable, own our home, can afford to save and have fun all at the same time. 

Most of our driving is around town, or not at all. We occasionally have to jaunt down the interstate to go on a road trip or catch an island ferry. But realistically, we don't drive that far very often, and use our bicycles for a lot of local travel

The current vehicles are a 2006 Sienna with 150k miles, and a 2000 LX470 with 320k (not a typo). Both are as reliable as an anvil. These choices weren't a mistake, we love both cars, and have no need or want to replace them. 

So here I am now, knowing full well that a E39 540 is really not an ideal daily driver, which is how I would want it to be used, but also understanding that they are not making any more of them, I am not getting any younger, and I have an incredible safety net backup of two near bulletproof Toyota platforms. 

This one isn't a very expensive example, is pre facelift, and with some better marketing and photos, could sell for more than the purchase price. It has been well maintained and has the chain/guides done in the not so distant past. Sure it has some small issues to fix, AC doesn't work, instrument cluster is a little twitchy, probably other things. But it's complete, runs well, and looks great. I have a longish history of euro cars, E36s, Volvos, VW's, and am no stranger nor do I mind turning a wrench to keep a car on the road. 

I got here, about to pull the trigger on the E39, from simply thinking about the unknown unknowns around any potential vehicle purchase, and the scarcity of time. I could purchase a more practical choice, an Outback, or a Prius, or some other appliance. And then my mind would swim with when the HG's may go, or the hybrid battery may fail. Volvo was on my list too, but that also has it's own challenges, of course. 

In truth, I understand that I am trying to rationalize what I understand to be a fundamentally poor choice for a daily driver as labeled by the masses. And then I read about an owner with a quarter million miles on their E39 and I ask why they are different. They may be different because they dump money into the car, but is that any more unique than someone with a 200k mile Outback that needs an engine out reseal and a transmission made of glass? I dont' expect to keep the hood closed for a year, that's not my expectation with any of my vehicles, nor is it the way I think about cars. 

I want to own, experience, and possibly grow to hate a 540/6. People say it's a bad idea, I trust some of those people, but like a girlfriend you met at a punk show who you're just a little afraid of, you still might make the choice to go down that road because you're only on this stupid rock once, and you better try and get what you want done or get slapped in the face trying. 

What about you? Do you have a "I know this is a bad idea but I just don't give a damn." car? 

"I know this is a bad idea but I just don't give a damn" for me was my Land Rover LR3. It's been solid reliable as far as starting and getting me where I need to go every day (it's my daily), but there is always something small and tiny and it nickel and dimes me quite often. It hasn't been too terrible but sometimes it would be nice to just have a fully functioning vehicle and not a to-do list but that is old Land Rover life. I love the truck. It's got great NVH qualities (minimum wind noise, great engine sound/quiet, great sound system), versatility (big/square shape for hauling people/things) and its a 4x4 that can tow 7700 lbs. Only negative is the horrible gas mileage, but that tends to happen in a 6000 lb body on frame truck thats lifted with a V8.

Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter)
Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
10/6/23 1:04 p.m.

I looked at E39s and ended up with an E46 325i instead (with sports package of course). I am notably stupid having owned a rash of Volkswagens, a Land Rover Disco, B5 S4 etc. I don't think BMWs especially the I6 variety in this vintage to be hurtful the way some other options are. I think if you go in eyes wide open for potential maintenance, you'll be fine.

P3PPY
P3PPY GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/6/23 1:12 p.m.

When price-shopping parts, consider my experience.
If I were you, I'd do it. You're a car guy so get a fun car. Truly, what's the maintenance time/price delta between a car you've always wanted and a car that's merely "reasonable"? 

Lof8 - Andy
Lof8 - Andy GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
10/6/23 1:14 p.m.

Do it.  Post some pics!  I love the shape of e39s.

mr2peak
mr2peak GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/6/23 1:26 p.m.

Do it. You'll love every moment until an M5 parks next to you.

Sonic
Sonic UberDork
10/6/23 2:12 p.m.

It sounds like you are making a well informed bad decision and have an alternate means of necessary transport if things go poorly, and you have the financial health to recover if things go poorly.  So, go for it, you might be surprised, and either way the itch is scratched.  

AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter)
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/6/23 2:18 p.m.

do it.  AFAIK the M62's weak links are timing chain guides, valve cover gasket leaks, coolant leaks under intake, and COP coils.  With possible exception of COP coils, all those things should have been addressed when the chain guides were done.

Pre-facelift probably (i'm not the expert) means not a water-cooled alternator -- my 1998 740iL alternator was not water-cooled.

there will be some hate for "omg steering box instead of rack." and i say who cares?

it's a manual, so no worries of being bitten in the ass by "lifetime ATF."  BTW, the owner's manual clearly states "lifetime assumed to be 100k miles", so shame on anyone using this as an excuse for their 150k mile automatic E36 M3ting the bed.

I'd do it.  And i recommend you do it too.

SKJSS (formerly Klayfish)
SKJSS (formerly Klayfish) UltimaDork
10/6/23 3:35 p.m.
Sonic said:

It sounds like you are making a well informed bad decision and have an alternate means of necessary transport if things go poorly, and you have the financial health to recover if things go poorly.  So, go for it, you might be surprised, and either way the itch is scratched.  

This exactly.  If you know what you're getting into and have what you need to deal with it, do it!!! 

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
10/6/23 3:40 p.m.

My e39 touring broke me of ever owning another bmw. But mygod it was an awesome car. Most comfortable car, and sooo pretty. 

buzzboy
buzzboy UltraDork
10/6/23 4:00 p.m.

You are the perfect case for this. Buy the car you want and have a backup car. Junkyards have plenty of E39s for parts if need be. E38 seats swap in for more comfort. Do it!

JThw8
JThw8 UltimaDork
10/6/23 5:14 p.m.
Steve said:

What about you? Do you have a "I know this is a bad idea but I just don't give a damn." car? 

Damn near every one I've owned, but rarely one at a time so they got to play backup for each other.  As others have noted, you have a solid plan, you have backups.  Do the deed.  Life is too short to drive boring cars.  

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
10/6/23 5:26 p.m.

 ...like a girlfriend you met at a punk show who you're just a little afraid of, you still might make the choice to go down that road because you're only on this stupid rock once...

Ah, those were the days.  But, now at 40 yrs old with 2 kids and wife, hooking up with a 27 yr old e39 is cheaper than than a 27 yr old punk rock girlfriend.   Also, you wont catch anything from the e39 that wont wash off.  The punk rock girl...not so sure!  

Probably a required link:  If you don't know Mojo Nixon, your store could use some fixin...

 

WonkoTheSane
WonkoTheSane GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
10/6/23 7:28 p.m.

I'm sorry, did I miss the link to the build thread?  There were a lot of words in that post, to be fair ...

clutchsmoke
clutchsmoke UltraDork
10/6/23 7:36 p.m.

I would do it. You're way overthinking it. 2 owners and well maintained at a reasonable price. It doesn't get much better than that with ANY used car.

BlueInGreen - Jon
BlueInGreen - Jon UberDork
10/6/23 8:54 p.m.

There's a lot of way worse ideas out there.

For example:


 

Olemiss540
Olemiss540 Dork
10/6/23 9:53 p.m.

No doubt you have the right situation for it. I look at them like i do the same generation Porsches. As long as you consider it an LS swap roller you bought that just happens to still move under its own power, you will love it and there really is no down side. 

paul_s0
paul_s0 Reader
10/6/23 10:29 p.m.

I'm watching what you do carefully, as I've been wobbling around something similar for a while (funnily enough E39s and H6 Outbacks) my problem is the 'other vehicle' is an LR3, and the state of the "roads" in Peru.  In your position I'd go for it.

LanEvo
LanEvo GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/6/23 10:31 p.m.

I've been racing a 190E 2-3-16 Cosworth for over 10 years now. This is a 35 y.o. platform that's expensive with limited parts availability, virtually zero aftermarket support, and no one else who races them ... which means I've been totally on my own for R&D. After many years I've managed to make it competitive, but MAN it would have been easier to start with an E30 or something!


 

My new daily driver is a 20+ year old British exotic with virtually no support even in the UK, let alone here in the US.

Kreb (Forum Supporter)
Kreb (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
10/6/23 11:50 p.m.

Admirable.

rslifkin
rslifkin UberDork
10/7/23 8:59 a.m.

I've been DD-ing an E38 740i (sport package / auto) for almost 5 years now.  And it hasn't been the nightmare everyone claimed it would be, plus it's been a generally good DD.  Competent handling, plenty of grip (far more than can be responsibly used on the street), has fit just about anything I've needed to put in it, etc.  The steering is decent despite the steering box, it's just not spectacular.  Good tires and some alignment tweaks does improve the car's behavior noticeably. 

I bought mine with just shy of 150k on it, it's got just under 197k on it now.  It's needed maintenance, but it's been reliable.  The only real "oh E36 M3" repair was needing to put a new fuel tank in it earlier this year as the original one developed a leaky rust pinhole (E39 tanks are plastic so you won't have that issue).   I've got a few things on the fix it list at the moment, but none of them are a particularly big deal to sort out.  One item is the previously mentioned valve cover gaskets.  They love to leak on these engines.  In general, the car isn't particularly hard to work on, just follow the directions and don't be too tempted to take shortcuts. 

The only thing that really scares me about the car is that despite the mileage and being a post-facelift car with VANOS, it still has the original timing chain guides.  So I know someday I'll start it and get the "fix it now" noise. 

vwcorvette (Forum Supporter)
vwcorvette (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
10/7/23 9:03 a.m.

Wait. You asked this group if they've made any questionable automotive decisions? You have met this group, haven't you? LOL

chandler
chandler MegaDork
10/7/23 2:35 p.m.
vwcorvette (Forum Supporter) said:

Wait. You asked this group if they've made any questionable automotive decisions? You have met this group, haven't you? LOL

Lol

RaabTheSaab
RaabTheSaab Reader
10/7/23 11:29 p.m.

Just do it. I honestly think a lot of the "nightmare" cars come from owners who buy something thinking it's gonna be a Honda and get mad when deferred maintenance catches up with them. Some of these cars are so well loved that common problems are easily fixed with YouTube and a free afternoon. Exceptions exist of course, but from what I can tell the e39 is not one of them.

Racingsnake
Racingsnake Reader
10/8/23 11:35 a.m.

I enjoyed my 540 six speed for the 5 years/50,000 miles I had it. (From 2016-2021 100k-150k). Sold it when I got fed up of random electrical issues and didn't want to spend the time to fix it. My other cars were all at least 30 years older so I had enough to do fixing them.

 

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