Two doors too many. Period.
Two doors too many. Period.
A two seater with four doors is weird. I'll grant you that, but I don't get the four door hate.
JG Pasterjak said:goingnowherefast said:I know this won't happen, but I just wish they'd make this one a little more "hot" than previous versions. Considering the success of the Veloster N, and CTR I'd wager at least in the US, there is a lot of demand for a Jackal and Hyde that is just as track capable as it is practical. The interior looks great though IMHO.
Then they start bumping into the Golf R, though. 245 is a tricky number, because it's kind oif in a no-man's land between the 215-ish hp hot hatches like the Mk7 and the Focus ST, and the mega-hot hatches like the Golf R and the Type R and, to a lesser extent, the Veloster N, which is underpowered but dynamically awesome. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the players adjust. Are we basically seeing 250 becoming the new 220?
Clarification: When I say more "hot" I'm not talking about more power. The CTR and Veloster N are dynamically better driving cars with tons of time put into making them track worthy. The CTR and Veloster N clocked in 11 second, and 7 second faster lap times (respectively) than the MK7 GTI w/ PP at C&D's Lightening Lap. Those cars will also do that all day, driven hard, without issue.
I just want a little pizazz with my hot hatches like the CTR has with it's extraordinary performance and the Veloster N has with it's playfulness and exhaust noises.
The CTR is the performance king of the hot hatches and I just don't care because it's so damn ugly. Plus the dealers are price gouging for them.
To a certain extent I could care less what the lap times are, it's not how I use the car. I use it as my DD and the Golf R is a much better DD than the CTR, Veloster N, Focus RS, etc.
goingnowherefast said:Clarification: When I say more "hot" I'm not talking about more power. The CTR and Veloster N are dynamically better driving cars with tons of time put into making them track worthy. The CTR and Veloster N clocked in 11 second, and 7 second faster lap times (respectively) than the MK7 GTI w/ PP at C&D's Lightening Lap. Th
The GTI could close the gap pretty significantly with both of those examples if it came with the Veloster's PZ4 or similar hero tires.
Let's not forget that the CTR is like $10000 more expensive than a GTI.
red_stapler said:goingnowherefast said:Clarification: When I say more "hot" I'm not talking about more power. The CTR and Veloster N are dynamically better driving cars with tons of time put into making them track worthy. The CTR and Veloster N clocked in 11 second, and 7 second faster lap times (respectively) than the MK7 GTI w/ PP at C&D's Lightening Lap. Th
The GTI could close the gap pretty significantly with both of those examples if it came with the Veloster's PZ4 or similar hero tires.
Let's not forget that the CTR is like $10000 more expensive than a GTI.
Oh I think it could too. Some better tires, some more vehicle dynamics tuning to make it more playful, and an active exhaust would do wonders. Also an Autobahn GTI w/ DSG is $38,105 MSRP, so while it's more expensive than a base GTI, I think it's still worth mentioning considering some trims of the GTI are more expensive still.
CTR is also manual only. The DSG in the GTI is better. (fight me!)
goingnowherefast said:red_stapler said:goingnowherefast said:Clarification: When I say more "hot" I'm not talking about more power. The CTR and Veloster N are dynamically better driving cars with tons of time put into making them track worthy. The CTR and Veloster N clocked in 11 second, and 7 second faster lap times (respectively) than the MK7 GTI w/ PP at C&D's Lightening Lap. Th
The GTI could close the gap pretty significantly with both of those examples if it came with the Veloster's PZ4 or similar hero tires.
Let's not forget that the CTR is like $10000 more expensive than a GTI.
Oh I think it could too. Some better tires, some more vehicle dynamics tuning to make it more playful, and an active exhaust would do wonders. Also an Autobahn GTI w/ DSG is $38,105 MSRP, so while it's more expensive than a base GTI, I think it's still worth mentioning considering some trims of the GTI are more expensive still.
MSRP on VWs 
My GTI SE (basically the autobahn without leather and maybe a few other dumb little things) was under $26k out the door (taxes, tag, etc). Nobody is marking up GTIs (especially 6MT). Even Civic Si's were going for $4-5k more around here - same year, same general options. Hell, for the same price as most CSi's in this area, I could have bought a Golf R (several of those I found that would have been under $34k out the door).
MSRP only matters for cars that actually sell for MSRP. In my shopping experience, that usually isn't VW.
No idea about GTI, but civic Si here sell for 1500-2000 under msrp and CTR can be had 900 over msrp
Dig the updated looks, hate the wheels though. Just fargin’ fugly,, those.
I kind of like this new "Sam the Eagle" styling trend.
Definitely beats the "Predator" styling trend we've been stuck in for the last decade or so.
Not bad, considering it's 2020.
The front isn't terribly uber-aggressive or swoopy, which is nice (wheels excepted). The cockpit isn't bad, although touchscreens should never be standard equipment. The gear shifter thing is just weird and I'm inclined to say stupid. What's wrong with their rendering software at VW, they keep showing these with twice the number of doors, seems like an elaborate joke to me but they really should find this prankster.
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