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Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
11/21/24 11:49 a.m.
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How much does a mid-engine car need neo-classical styling? As much as a fish needs a bicycle, yet the Zimmer Quicksilver exists.

Essentially a Pontiac Fiero wearing a Great Gatsby costume, this particular Quicksilver is fitted with the 2.8-liter V6 mated to the four-speed auto.

Per the listing, the Zimmer is noted to have recently come out of long-term storage, …

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Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
11/21/24 12:17 p.m.

Of all the Zimmers I've seen, I actually wouldn't mind this one.

And I bet it'd be a surefire class winner (loser?) at the Concours d'Lemons. wink

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
11/21/24 12:20 p.m.

Oh, and two recent-ish sales, courtesy BAT:

Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself
Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself PowerDork
11/21/24 12:22 p.m.

I'd daily it.

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
11/21/24 12:30 p.m.

I feel like Wayne Newton should be their spokesperson.

wspohn
wspohn UltraDork
11/21/24 12:32 p.m.

Certainly an oddball, but better styled than many.  The poor Fiero suffered through poor years - it had passed scrutiny by GM only disguised as a commuter car powered by the Iron Puke engine and with suspension derived from other GM models that didn't result in decent handling. They finally got the V6, a 5 speed and for 1988 only, a completely revised suspension that actually worked.  I owned a 1988 for 20 years (I had attended to suspension improvements and bumped the engine up to 300 bhp with a turbo) 

The other body style was (to my taste) much better - the Mera was Ferrari-ish and was sold (all 247 of them)  from GM dealers.

 

Motojunky
Motojunky Reader
11/21/24 1:13 p.m.

It's so awful that I like it. I'd daily it. 

I've been half-heartedly keeping an eye out for a bad Fiero Lambo or Ferrari kit car. It would be fun at cars & coffee type events. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
11/21/24 1:17 p.m.

Is the Zimmer the opposite of a Honda del Sol?

How’s that? 

The Zimmer is mid-engine but looks front-engine.

The del Sol is front-engine but (kinda) looks mid-engine.

Mainly sharing this for JG’s amusement. 

J.A. Ackley
J.A. Ackley Senior Editor
11/21/24 2:52 p.m.
Colin Wood said:

Oh, and two recent-ish sales, courtesy BAT:

Zimmer Quicksilver price in 1986? $51,950. That's $149,623.58 in today's money.

Maybe these are a bargain laugh.

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
11/21/24 3:22 p.m.

In reply to J.A. Ackley :

Wow, yeah that's a heck of a bargin.

Also something to consider? Hagerty values for a V6 Fiero from the same year:

  • #1 concours: $18,300
  • #2 excellent: $12,400
  • #3 good: $6,900
  • #4 fair: $3,200

(Hagerty notes the automatic decreases value by about $1000)

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe PowerDork
11/21/24 3:24 p.m.
wspohn said:

Certainly an oddball, but better styled than many.  The poor Fiero suffered through poor years - it had passed scrutiny by GM only disguised as a commuter car powered by the Iron Puke engine and with suspension derived from other GM models that didn't result in decent handling. They finally got the V6, a 5 speed and for 1988 only, a completely revised suspension that actually worked.  I owned a 1988 for 20 years (I had attended to suspension improvements and bumped the engine up to 300 bhp with a turbo) 

The other body style was (to my taste) much better - the Mera was Ferrari-ish and was sold (all 247 of them)  from GM dealers.

 

I had one of the 1988 Mera's for a good long while. Loved that car. 

I really like the one posted i is just silly enough for me. 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
11/21/24 4:03 p.m.

Just taking a minute to read ye olde Wikipedia entry on the Quicksilver: About 170 cars built with a retail price of $51,950 in 1986 so, today, about $150,000.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
11/21/24 4:22 p.m.
David S. Wallens said:

Just taking a minute to read ye olde Wikipedia entry on the Quicksilver: About 170 cars built with a retail price of $51,950 in 1986 so, today, about $150,000.

170?  Well, they've certainly got the rarity thing going for them.  Now we need to know if they're "desirable."

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
11/21/24 4:25 p.m.

In reply to 1988RedT2 :

That is certainly the big question. Also, according to Wikipedia,only available with the automatic. 

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
11/21/24 4:52 p.m.

Lowered on some old-school JDM wheels? I'm not sure.

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
11/21/24 4:59 p.m.

Of all the things Zimmer made, the Quicksilver is the least "obseen" or "out there."  Generally, it is pretty mainstream.  Sort of an interpretation of Fiero meets El Dorado or Lincolm Mark 3 thru 6

Otherwise, this is the more typical Zimmer:

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
11/21/24 5:13 p.m.

In reply to John Welsh :

The biggest problem I have with so many neo-classics is that 90% of the car looks okay, but then the door or the roof totally clashes with the rest of the body.

Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself
Russian Warship, Go Berkeley Yourself PowerDork
11/21/24 5:23 p.m.

In reply to Colin Wood :

Lowered- YES
JDM Wheels?  Eh.  (though I like the blackout effect on the Watanabes)


I think it would look pretty good on factory Fiero Basketweaves, or maybe FWD MoPar Pizza wheels.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
11/21/24 6:05 p.m.

In reply to wearymicrobe :

Wow.  I had forgotten these even existed.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-pontiac-mera-2/

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
11/21/24 6:31 p.m.

In reply to Colin Wood :

Needs more VIP wheels 

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
11/21/24 8:10 p.m.

Zimmer made bank producing absolute garbage.

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
11/21/24 8:52 p.m.
Appleseed said:

Zimmer made bank producing absolute garbage.

Which is unfortunate because the Fiero was a pretty decent car that just needed a little more sorting out.

VolvoHeretic
VolvoHeretic GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/21/24 8:54 p.m.

Is there a structural reason the Fiero has such a wide center counsel? Just think of how much room there would be if it was removed altogether or at least made much smaller.

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
11/21/24 9:03 p.m.

Fuel tank is down the center tunnel.

The big tunnel and the "basket handle" loop that goes over the passenger compartment and connects to the very beefy firewall behind the seats both make the car very rigid.

 

Steve_Jones
Steve_Jones UltraDork
11/21/24 9:48 p.m.
VolvoHeretic said:

Is there a structural reason the Fiero has such a wide center counsel? Just think of how much room there would be if it was removed altogether or at least made much smaller.

It might be too wide, but it's a good height for the late 80s. "Supposedly" you could do a line of blow and not take your eyes off the road. 

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