Please explain to me why owning a Harley = Open Pipes = WOT?

yamaha wrote: Ouch, sad to see gouging is still occurring On that note, I walked into the most local motorcycle dealer to look at helmet sizing(a harley dealer), and saw nothing but people decked out in HD and Affliction apparrel(affliction earns an instant "Douche" rating from me).....they had only one type of full face helmet(a E36 M3ty one at that), and the rest were those stupid bump caps. I was in there for 20 minutes and didn't have a single person ask if I needed help, and was ignored when I asked. Must have been because I'm not having a midlife crisis or not a CPA.....there were a few old people sitting on bikes making noises though, just like south park episode.

Affliction and tapout...

I actually saw a guy with a tapout tattoo on the back of his neck the other day...in walmart...douche

Saw a new one to me the other day in the way of stooopid modified Harleys. Heard them coming a half mile away. Three or four guys. That wasn't the weird part.

They had the tiniest handlebars on their bikes. Like, just wide enough for a pair of grips. As though you had taken street bicycle bars and cut the drop horns off. Their thumbs must have been about 4" apart. Did not look easy to steer.

As far as the sport bike crowd goes, D&D takes the cake. Those turds are obnoxious on anything.

In reply to Appleseed:

Honestly, the boom tube was better on my zx10 when my friend first got it than the d&d that also came with it.......he found a stock can though. I am happy for that.

I don't personally mind hearing high specific output engines being put to good use (harleys don't qualify), my tl1000r has yosh rs3s and it sounds like war. To me an engine that is working efficiently sounds good. The thing that bugs the e36m3 out of me is around here, there are a multitude of wickedly loud diesel trucks with the fuel turned up till they pour black smoke out of the 8" stacks. Berkley these people berkley them up their stupid e36m3 tunnels.

^ This.

The boss has a 2006 GMC 3500 with a Duramax and a banks six-gun tuner plus a bunch of other stuff.

It makes huge power with no smoke.

Smoke is just "diesel rice"

yamaha wrote: I was in there for 20 minutes and didn't have a single person ask if I needed help, and was ignored when I asked. Must have been because I'm not having a midlife crisis or not a CPA.

When I rode Buell's this was my main complaint about HD dealerships.

I was in my mid to late 20's then and would walk in. I'd get ignored. Constantly. I literally had to put someone in a head lock to get service. Then, when I did, I'd ask for a performance part like a particular sized jet. The service guys would look at me like I was crazy.

That's when I learned the same thing that riders who've ridden HD since the beginning of time have learned. Go to the independent shop. The shop I went too had been in business since the 70's. They survived the AMF years and built a strong following. Even the local police used them to service their Glides.

There is a difference between RUBS (Rich Urban Bikers) and the old school guys.

One more anecdote. I ran my first two Buells with Yosh pipes. They sounded good but were loud once you were on the throttle. My last one had the stock pipe. I loved it. It made good power and didn't turn heads when I turned the wick up for whatever reason. Stealth is not to be underrated. Funny thing, The Buell guys would complain about HD open pipes all the time as well.

In reply to Xceler8x:

IDK if this was an independant one or not.....they used to sell buell and back in the day triumph and BSA I think.

The_Jed wrote: Affliction and tapout...

The tapout fad around here kinda fell off, because most of the populace saw that logo and associated it with Bob Costass.

Trans_Maro wrote: ^ This. The boss has a 2006 GMC 3500 with a Duramax and a banks six-gun tuner plus a bunch of other stuff. It makes huge power with no smoke. Smoke is just "diesel rice"

Modern diesels can be controlled with tuners like that, but not the older fully mechanical ones.

Cotton wrote:

Trans_Maro wrote: ^ This. The boss has a 2006 GMC 3500 with a Duramax and a banks six-gun tuner plus a bunch of other stuff. It makes huge power with no smoke. Smoke is just "diesel rice"

Modern diesels can be controlled with tuners like that, but not the older fully mechanical ones.

I believe what he is pointing out is that properly tuned diesels make good power without obscuring the roadway with unburnt fuel......

yamaha wrote:

Cotton wrote:

Trans_Maro wrote: ^ This. The boss has a 2006 GMC 3500 with a Duramax and a banks six-gun tuner plus a bunch of other stuff. It makes huge power with no smoke. Smoke is just "diesel rice"

Modern diesels can be controlled with tuners like that, but not the older fully mechanical ones.

I believe what he is pointing out is that properly tuned diesels make good power without obscuring the roadway with unburnt fuel......

looks like he said "huge power with no smoke", which is tough to do on a fully mechanical diesel....at least until the turbo spools. I don't see anything about "obscuring the roadway with unburnt fuel", If he had said that I would agree that's not hard to avoid even on a fully mechanical diesel.

In reply to Cotton:

Really?

Trans_Maro wrote: In reply to Cotton: Really?

I'm not giving you any crap. My point was simply not all diesels can be tuned with the push of a button. I agree excessive smoke is annoying.

Cotton wrote:

Trans_Maro wrote: In reply to Cotton: Really?

I'm not giving you any crap. My point was simply not all diesels can be tuned with the push of a button.

But when your modern F450 diesel can, there is no excuse.

...except tiny wang.

I've been riding a sporty 1200 and roadkingster all week, you guys are right to hate harleys. If you like your bike civilized and baby butt smooth a harley ain't for you. The sporty I'm borrowing is quite loud with stock pipes and a goddamn blast to ride through the mountains. Been riding highway 49 outside of grassvalley/nevada city califorinia, went to allegheny today. Take a harley and ride it 80mph through them hills if you got the guts, you gotta work to ride a harley hard. It feels like motorcycle verses physics without a fairing and with the big twin thumping and pumping. I hate to say but I think you gotta be tough to ride a harley hard, it ain't like riding the B last, my punky buellster feels like a bicycle next to the sporty.

The roadking on the other hand is quite a sonofabitch to move, but once you getergoing it rides like a king. Never ridden a bike so smooth at speed. Riding at 85mph is nothing, such a nice bike and with the stock exhaust it isn't very loud. The damn thing shakes worse at idle than either the blast or sporty. I could see wanting to rev the bike at idle as the bike is pretty rough at idle.

In reply to benzbaronDaryn:

I don't think anyone is criticizing the bikes themselves. It's the average (not all) douche bag owners who immediately get rid of a perfectly good exhaust system and go for completely antisocial loud pipes, then ride them around like pricks blipping the throttle, making as much noise as possible while riding like an idiot wearing inappropriate clothing, all the time projecting (or trying to) an air of riotous superiority.

In reply to Adrian_Thompson:

Well, the bikes aren't really the best at anything in particular And he seems to think you have to be a "hardass" to ride one......LMFAO!!!

If I had to have an old style v-twin, it'd be a new Indian or a Victory. Its sad, I kinda like the Vrod, but I will never join the fraternity of middle aged CPA's, so thats out.....

yamaha wrote: In reply to Adrian_Thompson: Well, the bikes aren't really the best at anything in particular And he seems to think you have to be a "hardass" to ride one......LMFAO!!! If I had to have an old style v-twin, it'd be a new Indian or a Victory. Its sad, I kinda like the Vrod, but I will never join the fraternity of middle aged CPA's, so thats out.....

My 85 911 isn't "the best at anything", not even close, but it sure is fun to drive. Is anything in your sig the "best at anything"? does it need to be for you to enjoy it?

I don't own a Harley, but I've seriously been looking at turbo v-rods for an additional bike and I'm not concerned one bit that a few of them may actually be ridden by "middle aged CPAs". I've said it before on this forum, because a lot of you guys get so concerned with stereotypes, but I drive/ride what I like and could care berkeleying less what stereotype is associated with it. If I did I wouldn't have the majority of cool stuff I currently own. It's like Beer Baron when he was talking about the "small wang and the diesel trucks"...with a 911, vette, couple of liter bikes, diesel trucks, 4x4s, muscle cars etc you cannot imagine how many times morons try to stereotype me like that, when the reality is I'm just an enthusiast with a very very diverse interest in autos and bikes.

In reply to Cotton:

It was sarcasm......entirely aimed at what I interpreted as benzbaron's snarky remark.

Cotton wrote: I've said it before on this forum, because a lot of you guys get so concerned with stereotypes, but I drive/ride what I like and could care berkeleying less what stereotype is associated with it. If I did I wouldn't have the majority of cool stuff I currently own. It's like Beer Baron when he was talking about the "small wang and the diesel trucks"...with a 911, vette, couple of liter bikes, diesel trucks, 4x4s, muscle cars etc you cannot imagine how many times morons try to stereotype me like that, when the reality is I'm just an enthusiast with a very very diverse interest in autos and bikes.

No vehicle is inherently douchey. The majority of diesel pickups that I think are nice and would probably like one for a tow vehicle. Sure, certain vehicles tend to attract certain sorts of people, but these are not hard rules.

When you start to modify your vehicle for the sole purpose of drawing attention by being irritating, then you are a douche. You are going out of your way to be obnoxious to the people around you. That includes things like overly loud exhausts that do not actually improve performance, or turning an otherwise clean burning diesel into a soot spitting monster. It's not the original vehicle. It's what you have modified it to be.

I'm not even putting pointless mods on here, like extra large rims. I think those are stupid and reserve the right to laugh at them, but they don't impact my day at all.

ddavidv wrote: It's a shame...they aren't terrible bikes, but the LOOK AT ME crowd has completely ruined them for the rest of us.

I agree. A lot.

What is a turbo V-rod? I think the V-rod was a great great looking bike with a nice engine. Wasn't the engine something like a Porsche water cooled twin or something like that. The more I talk about bikes the stupider I feel.

In reply to benzbaronDaryn:

Yes, water cooled and engineered in collaboration with Porsche.

I really wish The Motor Company would have gone full term with the V-4 Nova project

benzbaronDaryn wrote: What is a turbo V-rod? I think the V-rod was a great great looking bike with a nice engine. Wasn't the engine something like a Porsche water cooled twin or something like that. The more I talk about bikes the stupider I feel.

Just a v-rod with an aftermarket turbo kit. It must be a popular mod because there are a lot of them around.