I would generally agree, but the car is priced right for the condition. It's in the high end of the price range, but so is the condition. As far as the accident, I was just trying to be fair.
I would generally agree, but the car is priced right for the condition. It's in the high end of the price range, but so is the condition. As far as the accident, I was just trying to be fair.
To me it.sounds like Mr woof was trying to cut out the middle man and use the would be insurance gains to cut a potential deal on some sweet wheels. Dealer said no dice, which is a legitimate deal, because that could leave the dealer open to persecution later. So, Mr woof just had to take am extra step and use the insurance check to.write a different check for the vette, instead of skipping that step.
Zomby Woof wrote: The owner has said that he will do whatever it takes to make sure I am looked after, but he won't elaborate...he told me he would prefer not to go through the insurance...He said no deal. The car has nothing to do with what happened yesterday. We will treat each one separately.
You should have a fair measure of the man from that.
On the one hand I rather understand the separation of the two. But, I strongly suspect he's going to be less than honorable when the bills accrue.
I understand the separation in principle, but in practice, I was trying to do him a favour. There is no reason he couldn't put something together. There are other factors too. There is no police report, and he would prefer not to get them involved, and I know why. Meanwhile, I am hurt, not working, work is piling up on my bench and in the machine shop (part time business), I can't do anything and I'm not sleeping. I wish I knew how to put a dollar figure on it that's fair.
Zomby Woof wrote: I understand the separation in principle, but in practice, I was trying to do him a favour. There are other factors too. There is no police report, and he would prefer not to get them involved, and I know why. Meanwhile, I am hurt, not working, work is piling up on my bench and in the machine shop (part time business), I can't do anything and I'm not sleeping. I wish I knew how to put a dollar figure on it that's fair.
By being the "nice guy" you are doing him a favor, but leaving yourself exposed.
You have no connection to this guy before the going to look at the vette and being involved in the accident.
Not to say the guy is trying to take advantage of you but here's some things to think about:
-How do you know he will follow through on the payments?
-Once he has enough time to repair the car and building there's little to support your claims that the injuries occurred there. Unless there was an ambulance to take you to the hospital, then it's already part of the public record so your claim wouldn't put any new info out there for the authorities.
-He won't negotiate on the car, he probably won't negotiate on the value of your loss. If he doesn't agree with the number you give him, what recourse do you have?
There's a big difference between slipping on an icy walkway and being pinned to a wall by a car. Your not trying to take minor slip and turn it into a million dollar claim, but you do want to be made whole.
Do yourself a favor and go through official channels and file a report and a claim. Let them figure out what is fair to offer you, they have more experience, and if you aren't happy with the number you can always get a lawyer.
Protecting yourself and you family is more important than being a nice guy.
Datsun1500 wrote: He wants to keep 2 things that have nothing to do with each other separate and that makes him a dick? I love the "big fat check" comments. How much do you guys think he owes? Put it through insurance. They will pay lost wages, and a small amount for pain. That's all they are obligated to pay. There's no big payday here. It was an accident, I'm glad this thread is full of people that have never made a mistake.
Big fat check = the amount he has lost from the accident no more and definitely no less. Lost wages and all medical costs.
I understand its an accident but that doesn't make the business any less liable for it.
If it happened in the US the owner would be falling all over himself trying to give you the car to save himself the money he'd be out on your rightful compensation.
I'd keep the two issues separate. If you think he's treating you well in terms of the accident, that's what matters.
That said, if I was him I would cut you a sweet deal on the 'vette.
Your honor, there is no police report because the accident didn't happen. He alleges he was hurt at my place of business, but there is no evidence to support his claim. No police report, no medical response record, no claim to my insurance.
I'm sorry the claimant was hurt, but as you can see, it didn't happen at my shop and I'm not responsible for it or for his expenses.
Just playing devil's advocate there.
I'm not at all clear how you're trying to do him a favor by requesting he give you the car you were looking at for a killer low price.
As others have said, the Vette and the accident are separate. However, you need to document the accident and protect your right to compensation for your injuries. You should definitely get with a personal injury attorney asap. Last August I was rear ended at a red light in what appeared to be a fairly minor accident. Right now I am recovering from surgery to repair the herniated disc in my neck caused by the accident and haven't been able to work for 4 months. At this point you don't know if there are long term effects from this and you need to protect yourself.
foxtrapper wrote: Your honor, there is no police report because the accident didn't happen. He alleges he was hurt at my place of business, but there is no evidence to support his claim. No police report, no medical response record, no claim to my insurance. I'm sorry the claimant was hurt, but as you can see, it didn't happen at my shop and I'm not responsible for it or for his expenses. ---------------- Just playing devil's advocate there. I'm not at all clear how you're trying to do him a favor by requesting he give you the car you were looking at for a killer low price.
I have pics of the carnage, and pics of the area beforehand. I have witnesses. I was in the hospital for about 6 hours and they have multiple reports of what happened. If I report it, there are some government agencies that will get involved and he could be in a bad way - seriously. A cash payout will be much more significant than what he would lose on that car if he did what I proposed, and he will also have to deal with the other ramifications. I called a lawyer yesterday and I will be calling them again in a few minutes.
I don't know how the GWN compares with the USA regarding ambulance chasing attorneys, but around here they'd be salivating to get a crack at this guy. If it was me, I'd find a good one and go after this guy for as much as possible. Pain and suffering is worth something. Sure, it may have been an accident, and the Corvette negotiation may be completely unrelated to the incident, but the owner is responsible for your safety in his establishment and for what happened, and you need to be compensated. There should have been a guardrail or barrier separating the work area from the showroom. That's negligence no matter how you look at it. He's responsible. Get as much as you can from him. No need to be Mr. Nice Guy in this situation.
Hey now what about all that responsibility that these highly paid roles are supposed to involve? This is what these guys get paid the big bucks for right?
I wouldn't sue if I thought that I was being made whole otherwise, but that's not my decision to make here.
Datsun1500 wrote:Zomby Woof wrote: I told him That I thought it was an honest mistake, and didn't think it would be right to sue for some ridiculous amount of money.What a difference a day makes. Yesterday it was an accident, Today he's a dick that owes you the world. You did a great job convincing yourself that he owes you a deal on a car because of something that was beyond his control. Congratulations.
You've got kindof a weird way of looking at what he's been posting.
He's looking at a deal on the car as an alternative to the much bigger berkeleying the dealer will get if an actual claim gets filed.
To that end, i'd say it's probably in Mr. Woof's best interest to just go ahead and file the claim/get a lawyer involved right off the bat just to cover his ass anyways. Then forget about the car.
The longer he waits, the messier the situation becomes.
Datsun1500 wrote:Zomby Woof wrote: I told him That I thought it was an honest mistake, and didn't think it would be right to sue for some ridiculous amount of money.What a difference a day makes. Yesterday it was an accident, Today he's a dick that owes you the world. You did a great job convincing yourself that he owes you a deal on a car because of something that was beyond his control. Congratulations.
where do you get that he thinks anyone owes him the world? he is owed what is right - lost wages, potential future losses, compensation for physical damage to his body. you only get one of those, and an accident like this could be a life changer as far as quality of life/ability to work without pain goes. he's doing the right thing getting an attorney. this is why they exist and the correct case to use one, not because a soccer mom bumped into your car and you want to take her house because your neck is sore. if you purely try to deal with his dealer insurance company, it's their job to give you as little as possible under the guise of "making things right." in this case he needs an attorney to make sure the dealer's insurance company does not take advantage of him. not to get a huge payout to retire from. there are personal injury attorneys and there are ambulance chasers. the ambulance chasers are the ones who advertise on TV.
you people act like anyone who goes to a lawyer for anything or feels like they should get more than $20 because someone ran them over is the problem with the world, but in this case it really is the correct thing to do.
also - some of you fail to understand that just because you get the assistance of an attorney does not mean "SUE!!!!!"
and i agree, forget about this particular car.
My opinion, he caused the hurt and he should pay to fix the hurt. Medical bills, lost wages, and any other extra expenses related to the accident such as crutches or medicine. He should file a claim through his insurance company so everything is on the up and up, there is a record of everything. This protects you from non-payment and him from payment for things unrelated to the accident.
As for pain and suffering, I take issue with the huge payouts that people seek. Accidents happen and if there wasn't gross negligence on their part, then heal and move on. Lawyers will claim that the bookcases should have been secured and the woman should not have been allowed top drive and the car should have had immobilization blocks at all 4 wheels and the walls should have been reinforced etc etc etc. While there may be some merit there, if we built the world according to lawyers we'd all be wrapped in bubble wrap and never leave the house.
The way I see it, not suing this guy is doing him a favor, in return for the favor of making things whole through unofficial channels. Technically, suing this guy's pants off is how the system is supposed to work, messed up as it is.
I wouldn't include the car in that, but this is a gamble where the little guy takes on ALL of the risk (and practical this-berkeleyed-my-life risk, not abstract this-is-bad-for-my-portfolio risk) in return for nothing but the warm n' fuzzies of doing a good deed. So I won't blame anyone for lawyering up at the first sign of the deal going south.
File on his insurance now while there is still damage to be seen at his establishment. That's the legal, responsible, upright thing to do. In the end, if there has to be a legal battle about it, the insurance firm can hire better lawyers than you can. You aren't looking for a big payout anyway, so whatever they deem fair will suffice. That's the business-like way to deal with the injury, and the owner is obviously very business like, so I wouldn't feel bad about it.
Then, since it's a separate issue, buy the car id it's a fair price and you want it. If you would buy it under the no-haggle pricing (I wouldn't, but that's me) if the injury had never happened, then go buy it.
But I certainly wouldn't take a chance on not filing the insurance just in case you have issues years from now that can be traced back. Make sure you're covered.
I am definitely on the turn it over to insurance camp. If you have insurance (I don't know how Canada works there), they are your advocate and you can turn them loose. If not, find a lawyer. Explain that you want fair compensation, not more and move forward that way. I agree that you need to not delay any longer.
Edit - Just saw that you called a lawyer. Continue on current path.
Always contact insurance. It's a pain but it will protect you should thinks go south. Get the mans business liability insurance, he should be able to provide you a copy of the form with coverage. Then be done with it.
Zomby Woof wrote: I understand the separation in principle, but in practice, I was trying to do him a favour. There is no reason he couldn't put something together. There are other factors too. There is no police report, and he would prefer not to get them involved, and I know why. Meanwhile, I am hurt, not working, work is piling up on my bench and in the machine shop (part time business), I can't do anything and I'm not sleeping. I wish I knew how to put a dollar figure on it that's fair.
How much is the Vette? I think that might be a good start for your pain and suffering. The lost wages would be an addition to that.
I would just forget about getting a deal on the Vette at this point, he [the owner] doesn't see dealing on it as helping him out. So if you really want that Vette, just put the extra that you were going to try and negotiate out of him into your settlement.
Like this: If the Vette is 16k and you only want to pay 12k, then tack on an extra 4k to make up the difference with whatever you were thinking of settling for.
Datsun1500 wrote: In reply to patgizz: You are correct, he is owed what is right, he is owed everything you posted. He thinks he is owed a deal on a car, and has worked himself up over it. Tell the Lawyer that you are owed a deal on the car, see what he says.
Despite the fact that his wife told me to expect a really good deal on the car, as she was driving me to the hospital, I don't think I am owed a car or a deal on a car. He said he would take care of me and I proposed that we work it out that way as a favour to HIM and he turned it down. I think I am being more than fair, all things considered. If I were running that business', I would jump all over that offer. Was it an accident? Sure it was but there a number of factors that contributed to it and he is, being the owner, responsible. I am trying NOT to screw the guy and I thought I was clear about that. Frankly I think your interpretation is ridiculous.
Have him pay for your pain and suffering. Use settlement to buy Corvette out of the generosity of your heart.
You get all the benefits of having your medical, loses, pain and suffering reimbursed, he still makes asking price on the Vette. Business is business, but you'll come out on top.
Zomby Woof wrote:Datsun1500 wrote: In reply to patgizz: You are correct, he is owed what is right, he is owed everything you posted. He thinks he is owed a deal on a car, and has worked himself up over it. Tell the Lawyer that you are owed a deal on the car, see what he says.Despite the fact that his wife told me to expect a really good deal on the car, as she was driving me to the hospital, I don't think I am owed a car or a deal on a car. He said he would take care of me and I proposed that we work it out that way as a favour to HIM and he turned it down. I think I am being more than fair, all things considered. If I were running that business', I would jump all over that offer. Was it an accident? Sure it was but there a number of factors that contributed to it and he is, being the owner, responsible. I am trying NOT to screw the guy and I thought I was clear about that. Frankly I think your interpretation is ridiculous.
I agree with you completely here Zomby. I think Datsun read more into your statement than you implied. The owner doesn't owe you a deal on the car but you didn't owe him anything on not calling the authorities (insurance, lawyer, etc...). You made a good will style compromise offer and he turned it down. You are now responsible to bring in the appropriate representation. End of story. Let the professionals determine the outcome.
but I am reading something into it?
I think you're either trolling or have a problem with reading comprehension.
Zomby Woof wrote:but I am reading something into it?I think you're either trolling or have a problem with reading comprehension.
it's because you spell favor with a u.
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