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stroker
stroker PowerDork
4/23/23 4:54 p.m.
DarkMonohue
DarkMonohue GRM+ Memberand Dork
4/23/23 5:35 p.m.

Oh, come on. Yes, obviously. Yes.

I'm only nominally an airplane guy, meaning I know a little about WWII warbirds and occasionally think it would be fun to actually operate an aeroplane before I cease to exist, and I think that is a damned good buy. Maybe a real airplane guy can set us straight.

I mean, if a fella wanted a radial engine for whatever reason, would $6800 buy one?

I'll take my answer off the air.

 

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
4/23/23 5:59 p.m.

A Rotec R2800 would fix all that plane's problems.

 

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
4/23/23 6:11 p.m.

Even a newer fuel injected Rotax 2.0 should pull it along.

A friend has an aerobatic plane he just replaced the engine on.  It had a Wankel, damn annoying, sounds like 500 Strawberry Daiquiris being blended overhead; I may be able to snag it cheap.

stroker
stroker PowerDork
4/23/23 7:03 p.m.
DarkMonohue said:

Oh, come on. Yes, obviously. Yes.

I'm only nominally an airplane guy, meaning I know a little about WWII warbirds and occasionally think it would be fun to actually operate an aeroplane before I cease to exist, and I think that is a damned good buy. Maybe a real airplane guy can set us straight.

I mean, if a fella wanted a radial engine for whatever reason, would $6800 buy one?

I'll take my answer off the air.

 

More information on the engine.  Sounds like it has (very roughly) half the power of the original engine.

DarkMonohue
DarkMonohue GRM+ Memberand Dork
4/23/23 8:32 p.m.
stroker said:

More information on the engine.  Sounds like it has (very roughly) half the power of the original engine.

Ah, well, [ahem] I, uh... goodness... maybe not such a swell idea after all.

ClemSparks
ClemSparks UltimaDork
4/23/23 9:55 p.m.

Let me know when you drag this home...I want to come see it!  ;)

Noddaz
Noddaz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/24/23 10:16 a.m.

Did anyone post the question "Can I fly this home?"

 

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
4/24/23 11:06 a.m.

TIL that 7/8 scale WWI planes are a thing. 

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/24/23 11:39 a.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens :

You can also get 7/8 WWII plane replicas IIRC. Someone is/was making at least Spitfire replica. 

stroker
stroker PowerDork
4/24/23 11:44 a.m.
Noddaz said:

Did anyone post the question "Can I fly this home?"

 

So that would be a "fly and fly"....?

 

Aaron_King
Aaron_King GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/24/23 12:03 p.m.

In reply to BoxheadTim :

I have seen 7/8 Mustangs at a few events.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
4/24/23 12:29 p.m.
BoxheadTim said:

In reply to David S. Wallens :

You can also get 7/8 WWII plane replicas IIRC. Someone is/was making at least Spitfire replica. 

My mom would so not approve. 

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
4/24/23 12:36 p.m.
Aaron_King said:

In reply to BoxheadTim :

I have seen 7/8 Mustangs at a few events.

Thunder Mustang?  (.75 scale technically).  The Falconer V12 engine is one of the most interesting parts of it (sometimes seen in cars).

 

Papa 51 Thunder Mustang - Untitled | Aviation Photo #1072194 ...

NZ Civil Aircraft: A Different V 12 Aero Engine at Ardmore 23-8-2014

Aaron_King
Aaron_King GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/24/23 12:38 p.m.

In reply to aircooled :

Probably.  Have seen them running around D Day at D Day at Connaught.

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
4/24/23 12:47 p.m.

"Would you fly in an airplane that you built?"

 

Me: NOPE.

RX Reven'
RX Reven' GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/24/23 1:01 p.m.

The Kansas City Dawn Patrol is a pretty large and well established group of guys that build / fly these kit built replica aircraft.

It looks like kits are no longer being produced but plans can be ordered here.

Radial engines get a thumbs up on coolness but a Rotex 912 would be hitting the reliable / available easy button.

 

 

AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter)
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/24/23 3:41 p.m.
Noddaz said:

Did anyone post the question "Can I fly this home?"

 

First GRM fly and fly?

EDIT dang, should have read all comments before posting. Beat to the punch again!

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/24/23 4:49 p.m.
Noddaz said:

Did anyone post the question "Can I fly this home?"

I'd be a little concerned about that as the ad mumbles something about it getting up to about a foot above the runway. 

stroker
stroker PowerDork
4/24/23 4:50 p.m.

Y'know, the mind reels with all the 7/8 scale possibilities that Falconer V12 offers as a poor man's (cough, cough) Merlin...  I think I'd have to have a Mosquito, but a P-82 might be a real mind bender at Oshkosh...  

Don't even suggest a Lancaster...

GeddesB
GeddesB GRM+ Memberand Reader
4/24/23 5:42 p.m.
BoxheadTim said:
Noddaz said:

Did anyone post the question "Can I fly this home?"

I'd be a little concerned about that as the ad mumbles something about it getting up to about a foot above the runway. 

Ground effect.  Lots more lift close to the ground.  Likely the reason this somewhat underpowered airplane flew at all.  Probably better that way considering. 

 

psteav (Forum Supporter)
psteav (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/24/23 5:43 p.m.
RX Reven' said:

The Kansas City Dawn Patrol is a pretty large and well established group of guys that build / fly these kit built replica aircraft.

It looks like kits are no longer being produced but plans can be ordered here.

Radial engines get a thumbs up on coolness but a Rotex 912 would be hitting the reliable / available easy button.

 

 

From what I've read from the Dawn Patrol (who fly this same 7/8 scale Nieuport), a 912 would probably be overkill.   I think these would be more in the 582 size class (~60hp vs the 80-100 from the 912). 

Stroker, if you want to see these in the flesh the Dawn Patrol used to come to the CoMO Memorial Day Airshow every year when that was a thing.  They still hit a lot of local fly-ins and airshows.  https://dawnpatrol.org/flyins.php

RX Reven'
RX Reven' GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/24/23 6:21 p.m.

In reply to psteav (Forum Supporter) :

I've talked to many people over the years that have two stroke experience and they consistently say "it's not if you've had the engine quit but how many times it has quit".  So long as I'd be staying withing the weight and balance, I'd go with a 912...maybe I'd need to add a throttle stopper to avoid going over ~75% power but two strokes, IMHO, are a toy not an aircraft.

FYI, I've played around with the idea of creating what I call a "multi crank" two stroke radial engine which is just a bank of five, seven, whatever odd number of off the shelf single cylinder two stroke engines ganged together with a ratchet release gear drive connecting each engine to a central drive shaft.

Obviously, its power to weight ratio wouldn't be as good as a conventional two stroke but it would look really cool and if you lost an engine or two during a flight, you'd just shrug your shoulders and limp home on the engines that are still running.

Imagine taxiing up in something with a scaled down P&W R-2800 double wasp engine powered by eighteen Stihl chainsaw engines cheekycheekycheeky

Come on, be honest, that'd be super bada$$.

psteav (Forum Supporter)
psteav (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/24/23 10:06 p.m.

In reply to RX Reven' :

Ya complain about reliability,  and then say you want not just a Double Wasp, but a homemade Double Wasp.... something don't add up. cheeky

RX Reven'
RX Reven' GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/25/23 10:56 a.m.

In reply to psteav (Forum Supporter) :

As I mentioned, each engine would be connected to the central drive shaft by a ratchet release mechanism...if an engine quits, it would just go off-line without placing drag on the system.

I took the concept to the extreme in my P&W R-2800 example, what I was specifically working on was a seven cylinder engine using Sthil MS880's (22.2 lbs. - 7.42 C.I. - 8.5 bhp) so 59.5 bhp. & 155.4 lbs. for the engines and something like 55 bhp. & 210 lbs. for the complete system...75% continuous power would yield a little north of 40 bhp.  

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