And the winner is...

slantvaliant wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote: Come on. If Obama, Pelosi, Reid et al. had half the balls that Bush, Cheney and Tom Delay had, they would block Scott Brown from getting into office they way that Al Franken was blocked,

Uhhh, Franken won in a protracted recount of a squeaker. Seating someone while the votes are being recounted is flaky. Brown won 52-47. Pretty convincing win.

There was talk of ballot inconsistencies. They could have very easily blocked him long enough to pass one bill, even if it was total bullE36 M3. You know damned well Rove would have done it.

Ian F wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote: During the election most McCain supporters went out of their way to point out that Obama had very few years in the Senate and had even less experience drafting bills and getting them out of committee and through the process. They were right. Is it any wonder he can't get anything from Congress now?

I don't disagree with you there and I had similar concerns before the election. I liked McCain. I think he would have been a good President. I'll admit that I tend to vote the Dem party line, but for 2008 it would have been tough... Hence my comment about Palin. What the hell was the point of her? To get the religious conservative vote? Why? It's not like they were going to vote for BO under any circumstances. All it did was push many fence-stradling moderates away from McCain. My vote wasn't for BO as much as it was to keep Palin as far from the White House as possible. That woman effin' scares me. And the more I read and hear her speak, the more she scares me. That was the point of my previous post; by putting Palin in as VP, the Reps basically gave the White House to BO, and possibly even the Senate.

Even McCain's people were ripping up on Palin. Romney's people still are. Gotta tear her down before the next primary season.

Yeah, they could have tried, Snowdoggie. However, "they" are starting to realize that "we" out here are starting to get really, really fed up with "them." People want a real fix to our healthcare system. Fixes to the problems that Congress has caused in it, not more crap from the insurance companies. You know who Martha's biggest supporters were? Health insurance companies. Oh, yeah, think about that. You sell a product. What better marketing strategy than to get Congress to pass a law requiring everyone to buy your product? It's golden.

And isn't it phunny how for the past 50 years, nobody cared about all those dead people voting in Massachusetts, but now suddenly the media starts to act all worried about it?

Snowdoggie wrote:

slantvaliant wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote: Come on. If Obama, Pelosi, Reid et al. had half the balls that Bush, Cheney and Tom Delay had, they would block Scott Brown from getting into office they way that Al Franken was blocked,

Uhhh, Franken won in a protracted recount of a squeaker. Seating someone while the votes are being recounted is flaky. Brown won 52-47. Pretty convincing win.

There was talk of ballot inconsistencies. They could have very easily blocked him long enough to pass one bill, even if it was total bullE36 M3. You know damned well Rove would have done it.

Talk is damn cheap when there are no facts for back-up.

Rove is a savvy political adviser and wouldn't have dared to contest the result. No one is that blinded by ideology, except maybe the President who still contends that his health-care reform is still viable.

Bobzilla wrote: ^ I would have voted for Condy...... I like her personally.

I would have too, as well as Mr. Powell.

Condi and Powell would have gotten my vote as well. Man, wouldn't it have been great to have them run for P and VP against the O and Biden?

^ I like you more and more....

oldsaw wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote:

slantvaliant wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote: Come on. If Obama, Pelosi, Reid et al. had half the balls that Bush, Cheney and Tom Delay had, they would block Scott Brown from getting into office they way that Al Franken was blocked,

Uhhh, Franken won in a protracted recount of a squeaker. Seating someone while the votes are being recounted is flaky. Brown won 52-47. Pretty convincing win.

There was talk of ballot inconsistencies. They could have very easily blocked him long enough to pass one bill, even if it was total bullE36 M3. You know damned well Rove would have done it.

Talk is damn cheap when there are no facts for back-up. Rove is a savvy political adviser and wouldn't have dared to contest the result. No one is that blinded by ideology, except maybe the President who still contends that his health-care reform is still viable.

I think he would have. He once bugged his own office, just so he could tell the press he was being bugged.

Somebody complained that he received a ballot that was bubbled for Scott Brown. It was probably bullE36 M3, but enough to start an investigation that could have taken a few days. You know, we could argue endlessly about how many chads could dance on the head of a pin. That wasn't my point. My point was that Obama doesn't have much experience in congress. Do you disagree?

Jensenman wrote: Condi and Powell would have gotten my vote as well. Man, wouldn't it have been great to have them run for P and VP against the O and Biden?

If you could get Powell to run, I would not only vote for him. I would work on the campaign. The thing is, he is too smart to want the job.

Jensenman wrote: Condi and Powell would have gotten my vote as well. Man, wouldn't it have been great to have them run for P and VP against the O and Biden?

Condi and Powell were sadly used as bullet shields by the Bush administration and are very likely un-electable.

Powell is on tape telling the UN pretty clearly manufactured (or very very poorly analyzed) facts in order to justify a war. Probably not to his knowledge, but that's not the point. Condi was made to look like a fool in front of a congressional committee (grand jury?). Hell, you might as well try to get Alberto Gonzales elected.

Ain't that the truth? Cannon fodder.

Dr. Hess wrote: Ian, the media did a super hatchet job on Palin. I am uncertain as to the real SP. I am certain that what was given to us by the media is not it. Just like I knew (as iggy was clueless) that what was promoted as the real BHO by that same media was total BS. So, instead of me saying "Ooooh, is Ian scarrred of the wittle beauty queen?" which I'm tempted to do but won't with extreme restraint, I'll say that I am undecided on SP.

Beauty queen? You gotta be kidding... However, I agree the media made a mockery of SP... but she did (and has still done) little to help her cause.

It is my opinion, however, that she was placed on the ticket to try to make it not a total landslide for the D's. Remember that even McCain's own party don't like him. He was picked solely to lose, just like they did during Uncle Bill's re-election. Then McCain (and his people) even started sabotaging SP.

Waitaminute... you're actually agreeing with me that the Reps set themselves up to lose? I think I need some air...

Yep... I would have likely voted for Powell as well as most others I've talked to, regardless of party leanings.

Don't get me wrong, I never once believed BO was going to be some sort of savior and anyone who thought electing him was somehow going to bring about massive, rapid change was smoking crack. I'm only hoping he doesn't manage to eff up too badly... So far, not enough has really been done to truely pass judgement about that. I am disappointed in the lack of the cross-aisle communication I'd hoped for, but then again, I'm not surprised either.

I could see Condi as Sec of State in a future Republican Administration even with the baggage. Who else do that have with that kind of experience? As for Colin Powell, he is probably too old at this point and too sick of it. He pulled out after the pundits started bashing his wife for getting treatment for depression. Politics is a nasty business.

It still comes back to the sheeple voting for the Prez so he/she/it can 'fix' things.

This is interesting. Even the CEOs are getting sick of 'campaign finance reform'.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2010862910_apuscampaignfinanceceos.html?syndication=rss

I'm practicing to have a leg up when the Chinese take over day to day operations. Ni hao. Wo-duh ming-d'zih Wong Fei Hung. Yeah, that's my new name. Outwardly, I will be foreman of a cat milking factory. As part of the resistance, I will shelter & nuture wayward girls who I will then trade on the black market for more cats. J-o-b secur-ity.

Looks like there are a few Republicans out there who get the message. I like what Congressman Murphy has to say.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10022/1030195-84.stm?cmpid=nationworld.xml

Dr. Hess wrote: And ignorant, HAHAHAHA, TOLD YOU. You were foolish to believe The O when he was wanting you to vote for him. Now it is YOUR fault we are so screwed.

Funny, I don't member voting for every member of congress..

Remind me to outsource you later..

Jensenman wrote: It still comes back to the sheeple voting for the Prez so he/she/it can 'fix' things.

No kidding. The holy grail is a President that wouldn't screw anything up. I'd settle for a President that just didn't screw up anything too important.

Snowdoggie wrote:

Jensenman wrote: Condi and Powell would have gotten my vote as well. Man, wouldn't it have been great to have them run for P and VP against the O and Biden?

If you could get Powell to run, I would not only vote for him. I would work on the campaign. The thing is, he is too smart to want the job.

This is the problem. The smartest most talented people will never subject themselves or their families to the cesspit that is politics. We will always have to deal with the greasy slop that wants to be on top no matter how bad the bashing and political maneuvering gets. It really is a shame. There a people in this country who have the talent and know how to solve the issues. They will never enter politics, in fact they probably stay as far away as possible. I don't blame them. It is a shame that we vote for people to run this country that I wouldn't let babysit my children.

Toyman01 wrote: . It really is a shame. There a people in this country who have the talent and know how to solve the issues. They will never enter politics, in fact they probably stay as far away as possible. />

Damn right.. I'm make too much paper right now..

I was worried when I started this thread that it would dissolve into a bashing, name calling thread. I appreciate that it didn't. This has to be the most intelligent group of people I have ever associated with. The ability to have a discussion is a valuable resource for all of us. Being able to see another persons point of view is the first step to compromise. Maybe one day our elected officials will be as enlightened. Unfortunately I have my doubts. They are more like a bunch of two year old kids fighting over a piece of candy. One can dream.

Yes. I tend to void posting in these threads... or even reading them... but this one has been reasonably civil. I get the feeling most of us more or less agree, even if we're looking at the subject from different starting points.

Snowdoggie wrote: That wasn't my point. My point was that Obama doesn't have much experience in congress. Do you disagree?

How could I possibly disagree when I believe he has little experience in any endeavor that qualifies him as Presidential material.

TucoRamirez wrote: I'm practicing to have a leg up when the Chinese take over day to day operations. Ni hao. Wo-duh ming-d'zih Wong Fei Hung. Yeah, that's my new name. Outwardly, I will be foreman of a cat milking factory. As part of the resistance, I will shelter & nuture wayward girls who I will then trade on the black market for more cats. J-o-b secur-ity.

You are a genius. I think i may begin raising cats to trade for wayward girls.