Ex-Spy Alleges Bush White House Sought to Discredit Critic
Granted, it's "alleged" but still something that we all suspected would happen once domestic spying of any kind is allowed.
This isn't meant as a partisan argument. Bush opened the door in the post-9/11 environment for this. Obama is still allowing our civil liberties to be violated.
Xceler8x wrote: This isn't meant as a partisan argument. Bush opened the door in the post-9/11 environment for this. Obama is still allowing our civil liberties to be violated.
Yes indeed. The policies of both are rather statist in this regard. As a result, the Patriot act gives the government incredible powers over us if they choose to use them as such.
Xceler8x wrote: Ex-Spy Alleges Bush White House Sought to Discredit Critic Granted, it's "alleged" but still something that we all suspected would happen once domestic spying of any kind is allowed. This isn't meant as a partisan argument. Bush opened the door in the post-9/11 environment for this. Obama is still allowing our civil liberties to be violated.
Why do you suggest this kind of crap didn't occur before electricity was harnessed?
Do you seriously believe this is the first time something like this has happened in US history? That domestic spying has never occurred before?
You should read up on the FBI under Hoover.
Domestic spying in the US has a long history. Going back just as far as their were people.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/13/us/13fbi.html?_r=1&hp
Published: June 12, 2011 The Federal Bureau of Investigation is giving significant new powers to its roughly 14,000 agents, allowing them more leeway to search databases, go through household trash or use surveillance teams to scrutinize the lives of people who have attracted their attention.
Nothing new here.
Xceler8x wrote: Ex-Spy Alleges Bush White House Sought to Discredit Critic Granted, it's "alleged" but still something that we all suspected would happen once domestic spying of any kind is allowed. This isn't meant as a partisan argument. Bush opened the door in the post-9/11 environment for this. Obama is still allowing our civil liberties to be violated.
"We" did not all suspect this would happen. I for one am completely oblivious of the situation.
Don;t mind that guy going through your trash, Pinchvalve.. nothing to see here
i always assume that everything i type online and everything i say over the phone is being monitored by someone.
novaderrik wrote: i always assume that everything i type online and everything i say over the phone is being monitored by someone.
Some interesting solution if you care about that monitoring.
http://www.whispersys.com/
http://www.googlesharing.net/
oldsaw wrote: Why do you suggest this kind of crap didn't occur before electricity was harnessed?
Of course it occurred. But back then it was illegal. Now it is fully supported by our government and our government representatives.
I do find it ironic how much of the public is in horror that the government would spy on them, while the rest is busy posting every possible personal detail about themselves.
The future will be full of "Weiners", they will look back and laugh at our foolishness.
aircooled wrote: ...while the rest is busy posting every possible personal detail about themselves.
Oh, how I agree.
aircooled wrote:oldsaw wrote: Why do you suggest this kind of crap didn't occur before electricity was harnessed?Of course it occurred. But back then it was illegal. Now it is fully supported by our government and our government representatives. I do find it ironic how much of the public is in horror that the government would spy on them, while the rest is busy posting every possible personal detail about themselves. The future will be full of "Weiners", they will look back and laugh at our foolishness.
I find it funny you don't understand the difference between VOLUNTARY and INVOLUNTARY.
I find if funny you don't understand the meaning of IRONIC and MUCH and REST.
(although it might be stretch using ironic in that case, but most people would understand what I mean)
aircooled wrote: The future will be full of "Weiners", they will look back and cringe at their foolishness.
FTFY but only because I can hope - in a good way.
oldsaw wrote:aircooled wrote: The future will be full of "Weiners", they will look back and cringe at their foolishness.FTFY but only because I can hope - in a good way.
Are you saying you hope to be full of "Weiners"?
In reply to Giant Purple Snorklewacker:
No. I hope that fate is reserved for you.
novaderrik wrote: i always assume that everything i type online and everything i say over the phone is being monitored by someone.
aircooled wrote: I find if funny you don't understand the meaning of IRONIC and MUCH and REST. (although it might be stretch using ironic in that case, but most people would understand what I mean)
I must have developed a problem with reading comprehension. I skipped right over that.
My apologies.
No problem. 
aircooled wrote:oldsaw wrote: Why do you suggest this kind of crap didn't occur before electricity was harnessed?Of course it occurred. But back then it was illegal. Now it is fully supported by our government and our government representatives. I do find it ironic how much of the public is in horror that the government would spy on them, while the rest is busy posting every possible personal detail about themselves. The future will be full of "Weiners", they will look back and laugh at our foolishness.
it's gonna be real fun in the next 10-15 years as the teenage girls from the recent past try to run for public office or whatever and all the pictures that they posted online suddenly appear.
So are you saying that my websites; www.picturesofmyweiner.net and www.mybowelmovements.org and www.whyihatenorfolk.co.uk are bad ideas?
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