http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/02/police-grab-2-million-worth-of-cars-after-canadian-street-race/? 
Nice car list. Sad to see their vehicles weren't crushed in front of them, or better yet, sold cheap to people smart enough to race them on a track.
Yeah, because the cops should totally have the power to destroy or take hundreds of thousands of dollars of peoples' property without any kind of due process. Especially when they didn't even catch them in the act!
How can you impound cars when you have no proof other than some random shiny happy person saying they saw them do something bad?
Grizz wrote: How can you impound cars when you have no proof other than some random shiny happy person saying they saw them do something bad?
For the children!!!!!
Meh. I'm not saying it will (or even should) hold up in court. I'm saying what kind of moron buys a probationary driver a Lambo/GT-R, etc.? Probably just sheer jealousy on my part!
Grizz wrote: How can you impound cars when you have no proof other than some random shiny happy person saying they saw them do something bad?
They didn't impound them.
MTN: Looks like they did impound them initially, but weren't able to keep them because they couldn't make serious enough charges stick.
125 mph? That is not racing in a Gallardo, that's mildly cruising.
pinchvalve wrote: 125 mph? That is not racing in a Gallardo, that's mildly cruising.
You have a point there.
Seriously who buys a kid those cars!!!!!!!
kazoospec wrote: or better yet, sold cheap to people smart enough to race them on a track.
Pffffft. You can't race any of those cars on a real race track without them catching on fire or breaking down after 15 minutes. Those are are fashion accessories.
It wasn't just one person that made a statement to police. The account said "witnesses." And the police didn't take away their cars permanently. The offenders got a slap on their privileged wrists.
The police are there to do a job for the people--namely to uphold the law. And I'd say they acted appropriately in this case.
The article says that only one of the drivers was the registered owner of the car in question. In other words, kids driving daddy's toy...
Jay wrote: Yeah, because the cops should totally have the power to destroy or take hundreds of thousands of dollars of peoples' property without any kind of due process. Especially when they didn't even catch them in the act!
Uh, and this is different to frozen bank accounts linked to crime how? The cars are not destroyed (usually auctioned off actually) until charges have been laid and proven in court. Until then, impounded! I also like it of how just because an officer didn't catch them in the act, doesn't mean they can't be arrested... really? Really?
If complaining about snot nosed kids racing supercars on public roads makes one shiney and happy, then I'm going up to the restroom and shine my ass.
HiTempguy wrote: Uh, and this is different to frozen bank accounts linked to crime how? The cars are not destroyed (usually auctioned off actually) until charges have been laid and proven in court. Until then, impounded! I also like it of how just because an officer didn't catch them in the act, doesn't mean they can't be arrested... really? Really?
Yes really. Gank their licences for a million years after they've been convicted in court but until then they are presumed innocent. Letting the police seize whatever they want from you because they think you might have been doing something wrong? No thanks. Sounds like the kids were being 100% complete, grade-A asshats, but that's not a real crime (hint: reckless driving is.)
No, I don't think seizing $100 000 Lambos & Astons is a fitting punishment for street racing. Remember there wasn't even an accident or injuries/deaths involved. The last thing we need is even more cops up here who think they're playing the title role in a Stallone film.
On the other hand, if the "actual owners" of these cars (i.e. the parents) want to seize them and make their whelps sweat it out in $2000 Sentras, they can go right ahead. We all know that's gonna happen...
Jay wrote:HiTempguy wrote: Uh, and this is different to frozen bank accounts linked to crime how? The cars are not destroyed (usually auctioned off actually) until charges have been laid and proven in court. Until then, impounded! I also like it of how just because an officer didn't catch them in the act, doesn't mean they can't be arrested... really? Really?Yes really. Gank their licences for a million years after they've been convicted in court but until then they are presumed innocent. Letting the police seize whatever they want from you because they think you might have been doing something wrong? No thanks. Sounds like the kids were being 100% complete, grade-A asshats, but that's not a real crime (hint: reckless driving is.) No, I don't think seizing $100 000 Lambos & Astons is a fitting punishment for street racing. Remember there wasn't even an accident or injuries/deaths involved. The last thing we need is even more cops up here who think they're playing the title role in a Stallone film. On the other hand, if the "actual owners" of these cars (i.e. the parents) want to seize them and make their whelps sweat it out in $2000 Sentras, they can go right ahead. We all know that's gonna happen...
Errr ...Jay are you saying the Police should wait until they actually do kill an innocent bystander before they take the cars, sort of shutting the gate after the horse has bolted don't you think.
So if I shoot my firearm through your house but, by pure luck, don't hit someone do you think I should keep my firearm?
By the way, issuing a ticket is charging you with a real crime, you then have the option to defend yourself in court, but a real charge has been laid.
http://www.evostreetracers.com/Evo_Press_Release128.html
Who won ?
redrabbit wrote: Who won ?
Tow truck companies and impound yard operators did.
aussiesmg wrote: Errr ...Jay are you saying the Police should wait until they actually do kill an innocent bystander before they take the cars,
Yes. (In fact, I don't think the police should be able to seize cars at all. The courts? Maybe.)
aussiesmg wrote: So if I shoot my firearm through your house but, by pure luck, don't hit someone do you think I should keep my firearm?
No, but I don't think they should be able to take your gun because they think at some point you might shoot into my house. It's not an analogous situation.
These numbskulls are getting reckless driving charges, which is exactly what they were doing, and will probably get their licences taken away for a good amount of time. They're not up on vehicular manslaughter or something like that because they didn't kill or injure any bystanders at all (not even any children!) I'm pretty sure they're all idiots, but they still should get their fair day in court before the cops get to seize property that's worth more than a lot of our houses.
Actually, I think it is exactly an analogous situation, in either case a stupid action was undertaken and a death did not result by luck only. If you shoot a weapon in an extremely dangerous manner is it not the same as driving on a public road in an extremely dangerous manner. 125 mph in a bona-fide supercar, handled by an inexperienced driver, fits that scenario IMHO.
The cops have a right of seizure as granted by law for just such a situation, but the offenders still get a day in court to prove why the cars shouldn't be permanently removed from their ownership, or so I believe, Trust me I am no expert and so many states have different ways of wording these laws.
Jay wrote: Yes really. Gank their licences for a million years after they've been convicted in court but until then they are presumed innocent.
Taking their licences won't matter. What you advocate as "punishment" is not punishment. People with money aka privilege, can get caught 100 times in Canada driving without a licence and pay the fines no problem, that will not stop them. Taking their $100k car? Oh yea, that'll stop them quite quick. Same with jail time.
As was stated, this is no different shooting a gun into someones house and missing. You'd want the gun confiscated.
Sorry, I don't think $100 000+ is a fitting punishment for speeding, even for rich twerps. I could go 100 over the limit in any car I own (and probably not crash it, but I digress.) Should the cops be able to take my house for doing that?
Had it actually been vehicular manslaughter, I'd feel a bit differently, but it wasn't.
I don't think these nitwits deserve to get off scott free. I was mostly objecting to the sentiment in the first reply that the cops should have crushed all the cars right there "in front of them." That's not due process.
"That's because police didn't actually catch them in the act and acted only on witness accounts. They weren't caught on radar, video or seen by a police officer, Superintendent Norm Gaumont, RCMP officer in charge of traffic enforcement for the Lower Mainland, told the Surrey Now newspaper."
Hard to doubt they weren't driving at high speeds but by witness accounts only... how did they come up w/ 125 mph? Hard to document that.
Maybe these jerkwads will learn something from this, maybe not.
Under 20? And you're driving a Ferrari 599?
I think I may have to go strangle some people who call themselves parents.
Ok even if they were street racing, why crush those cars? That is just a waste of beautiful (in the case of some of those cars) automobiles. Jail sure, impound and sell the car sure but crushing is just evil.
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