Toyman01 wrote: It's not stupidity that breaks boats, it's usually ignorance. They just don't know any better.
After seeing a few boats get shredded on rocks while fishing, I'd say ignorance of the underwater hazards combined with excessive speed might count as stupidity.
RX Reven' wrote:BrokenYugo wrote:I wouldn’t characterize someone as stupid solely because they can’t drive a boat…I suspect that we’re actually just witnessing an example of confusing what you can afford with what you can handle. It’s like how Beechcraft Bonanza’s have received the unflattering nick name of doctor killer. I imagine that doctors, as a whole, make good pilots (must be smart, disciplined, able to handle complex / critical situations) and I doubt that Bonanza’s are more problematic than other high performance aircraft. The reputation developed simply because Bonanza’s are one of the coolest planes you can fly without upgrading to multiengine or turbine certifications and doctors are among the few groups that are affluent enough to be able to afford them. Put the two together and you’ve got a steady stream of headlines reading “Doctor Blows Brains Out in Bonanza”.914Driver wrote: He bought a 40 footer and already sheared off the lower unit of it.How do people that stupid end up with that much money?
Bonanzas have a deserved reputation for killing Doctors. Like you said, they are the coolest planes you can buy that are not multi-engine (I think there was a twin bonanza too?) But that coolness comes at a price, the V tail tends to not be stable in roll, if you fly into a IFR situation without autopilot, it will almost certainly end in a "death spiral" once the eye flying the plane loses all connection to the ground.
Doctors are also very hard to correct. Many of them are "know it alls" because they are doctors.
I've had a few boats like this; piles of junk that need a full re-do.
Buy them or get them free, but don't expect to get your money back. The sheer amount of labor involved (and learning to do it right) will still net you a boat that no one wants when they can spend an extra couple grand and get a nice one with a decent history. I got my project boats because I wanted a project boat to use for myself. A couple I ended up selling and making most of my money back, but realistically its a losing proposition.
If it were free, its a good gamble. I wouldn't spend a penny to buy it though. Once the hull has been compromised, its a useless pile. Worthless. You might make some money on the powerplant and outdrive, but then you won't be able to give away the hull. You'll end up paying through the nose to dispose of it.
My brother bought two 28" foot Boston Whalers that were both damaged in hurricanes. One had a damaged hull, the other had a damaged deck. He basically made one good boat out of the two of them. This took him the better part of 3 years, and he's in the marine industry----with plenty of friends in the marine industry to help.
The finished product is a fantastic boat that will go anywhere safely. Yes, he saved a bunch of money doing it himself, but it wouldn't have been worth it with a Bayliner or cheaply put-together vessel.
It can be done--- but I'd be sure that the boat is worth restoring to begin with---- and that you possess the knowledge and resources to do it correctly. If you do take the leap, and it's a SeaRay, or other quality boat----- my brother Ken can help:
In reply to Joe Gearin:
Well, I tried to fix the link but failed.
It's here. www.fpmarine.com
Edit: And now it works.
I am working on my boat, and "Flounder Pounder" is the best name since the dive boat I saw called "Grouper Snooper." I may have to order some stuff.
Brett_Murphy wrote: I am working on my boat, and "Flounder Pounder" is the best name since the dive boat I saw called "Grouper Snooper." I may have to order some stuff.
the name is overplayed. Every area has one, usually it's painted on the transom of a charter boat
Do you know how to make a million dollars in boating?
Start with 10 million.
You could take the boat and strip it and then scrap it (Be sure you know a place that will take the hull first), but I would not try to restore it. Not worth it. Ever.
Never ever. Never ever ever. Never ever ever ever.
Runaway.
curtis73 wrote: Once the hull has been compromised, its a useless pile. Worthless. Y
So what your saying is it has always been worthless and like all Bayliners it should have been left lining the bay?
Brett_Murphy wrote: I am working on my boat, and "Flounder Pounder" is the best name since the dive boat I saw called "Grouper Snooper." I may have to order some stuff.
If you need boat parts--- especially SeaRay-- call and tell Ken you heard about FP Marine on the GRM board---he'll take care of you. 321-639-2951.
and I'm so sick of that mad_machine moniker......I see that uncreative name in every message board. 
FlightService wrote: Do you know how to make a million dollars in boating? Start with 10 million. You could take the boat and strip it and then scrap it (Be sure you know a place that will take the hull first), but I would not try to restore it. Not worth it. Ever. Never ever. Never ever ever. Never ever ever ever. Runaway.
now, to be "that guy" if you wanted to learn how to do glassing, there is no better way than to start with a junked boat. You can't hurt it anymore than it already is, and if you do it right, it might even float!
It's been a crazy week here, no more information other than it's a Trophy 23. Owner just bought a trailer for it at $3k, it was always at a marina before that.
What is more expensive than a cheap boat?
(Disclaimer: not the actual boat) Too bad eh?
Iirc, trophy is actually Bayliner.
But it might actually be worth it for the trailer, if you can cut the boat up and throw it in a dumpster.
Yep. Trophy is Bayliner's fishing brand.
It's a '84 Ford Tempo. Not a '64 Ford Mustang.
As far as puny and played out boat names, I'm partial to "Seaward". 
My list of potential boat names includes "Amy Wilde" and "Ophelia Cocksure"
I'd been chuckling over the idea that someone managed to sing their boat twice then go out and buy a bigger boat. Well, I saw a live Facebook video from the local news channel about a boat stuck near the lighthouse, so I rode over to check it out.
Now, my nautical knowledge is naught, but how did they get stuck on a sandbar while pointed the other direction?
Sailboats usually have keels that extend a ways underwater. They may have had more wind than skills and wound up there.
there are two types of sailors, those that ran aground and those that lie about it. Running aground in a sailboat is an eventuality, even my own little 23 footer draws 3 1/2 feet of water. If she were a fin keeled boat instead of full keel, she might draw 4 or 5 feet. Some larger boats need up to 8 feet of water to float
Once upon a time I was vacationing up on Cape Cod and noticed an ad in the classified for a $100 sailboat. It was a 23' Hunter with issues. After a separate trip back up to retrieve said boat (i didn't dare tow it home with the minivan) and a couple of years messing with it in my driveway. I found a sucker to buy it for $600. I don't know if he ever did anything with it (he seemed confident in his project capabilities) but for something of such modest size it felt like working on the QEII.
That experience broke me of any desire to "restore" an old boat.
In reply to Pete Gossett:
This could be the part you can't see:
KyAllroad wrote: Once upon a time I was vacationing up on Cape Cod and noticed an ad in the classified for a $100 sailboat. It was a 23' Hunter with issues. After a separate trip back up to retrieve said boat (i didn't dare tow it home with the minivan) and a couple of years messing with it in my driveway. I found a sucker to buy it for $600. I don't know if he ever did anything with it (he seemed confident in his project capabilities) but for something of such modest size it felt like working on the QEII. That experience broke me of any desire to "restore" an old boat.
to be honest, in working on my "little" 23 and a friend's "big" 25 footer.. the difference in being able to walk around inside the boat, while making it much bigger, made it much easier to work on. My SeaSprite has "sitting headroom" in the cabin, you get scrunched up and cramped up working inside.
In reply to mad_machine:
Then you get a little bigger and it gets harder again with the engine crammed under the cockpit rather than hanging off the stern. If you were much over 200 lbs there was no way you were working on the back of the engine, the transmission, or the propshaft in my friend's old Hunter 30. That was all done though a hole in the quarter berth that was maybe 10 inches between the QB floor and the bottom of the cockpit, you had to climb part way through and wedge yourself in place. The valves were adjusted though a panel under the sink.
In reply to RealMiniParker:
From watching them wade in & out, the water was only 3' deep there. So if it had a keel that big they were really stuck! The boat was gone today, so I'm guessing they got free during high tide. I just wonder if they drifted way off course, or were just clueless how shallow it is there.
Since there's a light house nearby I'd guess the depth changes quickly, and without warning, if sailors don't pay attention to the navigational aids.
Sandbars are funny things. They don't necessarily follow the path you'd expect.
I haven't been there in over 10 years, but there was one going into Barnstable harbor from Cape Cod Bay that had the channel on one side, and deep enough water for a power boat on the other, but don't try crossing the 20 feet in between. That one ran over 100 yards out from the beach into the bay before vanishing. Anyone that didn't follow the channel markers could have a rough day.
Rock harbor on Cape Cod is another one. The channel isn't even knee deep at low tide, but 30' charter boats go in and out on high tide.
jstand wrote: Since there's a light house nearby I'd guess the depth changes quickly, and without warning, if sailors don't pay attention to the navigational aids. Sandbars are funny things. They don't necessarily follow the path you'd expect. I haven't been there in over 10 years, but there was one going into Barnstable harbor from Cape Cod Bay that had the channel on one side, and deep enough water for a power boat on the other, but don't try crossing the 20 feet in between. That one ran over 100 yards out from the beach into the bay before vanishing. Anyone that didn't follow the channel markers could have a rough day. Rock harbor on Cape Cod is another one. The channel isn't even knee deep at low tide, but 30' charter boats go in and out on high tide.
Great Egg Harbor Inlet here is so bad with Shoaling, the CG gave up trying to mark the channel. It's not that the inlet is impassable, it's just that the sandbars move around whenever and where ever they want. Last time I went through, the channel was about 40 feet wide and 30 deep.. with breakers on either side where it was only about hip deep
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