Any vegans? Anybody try it?

Jay wrote: ...and don't make me laugh about the "grain lobby." You guys live in the U.S. where the cattle & dairy lobby literally own half the politicians. I'm sure there *is* a grain lobby, but they're pretty much the nervous skinny dude sitting between the two giant mobsters in the back of a limousine. Guess who is telling the driver where to go?

What exactly do you think they make all those animals out of?

If you're eating something in america, and it didn't come directly out of the ground or off a tree, it's probably made of corn.

Lesley wrote: How do you prepare it? I tried it once and thought it was horrible.

You make it similar to rice, but if you overcook it, it gets mushy. I like it with lot's fried onions on top.

I overcooked it. Tasted like burnt brown porridge, mixed with tire marbles. ~Shudder~

Jay wrote: They are also the largest & most powerful of all the great apes, including us. They can kick our scrawny butts.

Yeah but their penises are way, way smaller, and that's what counts, right?

Osterkraut wrote: Quinoa (once I figured out how to pronounce it), is great, and it's does have a very high protein content for a non-meat food. However, at roughly 8g of protein in ~180g, it pales to the simple chicken breast, which has roughly 40g of protein in roughly the same weight. Similar weight of salmon has over 60g of protein, steak 20g, and so forth.

So now the amount of protein per gram is what makes a food "good?" There's more to good food than that.

I enjoy a nice IPA a lot more than I enjoy shots of vodka, but the vodka is stronger. By your standards should I just be drinking straight vodka? It's got 50g of alcohol per 63g! Obviously it's better.

dculberson wrote:

Osterkraut wrote: Quinoa (once I figured out how to pronounce it), is great, and it's does have a very high protein content for a non-meat food. However, at roughly 8g of protein in ~180g, it pales to the simple chicken breast, which has roughly 40g of protein in roughly the same weight. Similar weight of salmon has over 60g of protein, steak 20g, and so forth.

So now the amount of protein per gram is what makes a food "good?" There's more to good food than that. I enjoy a nice IPA a lot more than I enjoy shots of vodka, but the vodka is stronger. By your standards should I just be drinking straight vodka? It's got 50g of alcohol per 63g! Obviously it's better.

If you're setting out to consume alcohol, then yes, vodka is better. If you're setting out to consume protein, the meat is better. Enjoyment does not enter in a discussion of macro-nutrients. Well up until the point where a food tastes so awful you can't eat it.

Now if you want to talk about enjoyment, have at, but before you commented we were discussing protein needs and veganism's ability to meet them. Which for anything less than a sedentary lifestyle it struggles with. Though ovo-lactos and pescetarians should be able to manage quite nicely.

dculberson wrote: So now the amount of protein per gram is what makes a food "good?" There's more to good food than that. I enjoy a nice IPA a lot more than I enjoy shots of vodka, but the vodka is stronger. By your standards should I just be drinking straight vodka? It's got 50g of alcohol per 63g! Obviously it's better.

If we're talking about a certain source of nutrients, then sure there are foods that are better than others. Like Osterkraut said, meats are the best source of natural protein. Obviously, you can't look at just protein per gram, as fried chicken will have a lot of protein in it and it's not a healthy food. But there are certain foods that are good nutrient sources and some that aren't. A vegetarian has to work harder to find the proper amounts of protein than a person who eats meat. If you don't agree, we can hash it out over a Wartburger and vodka at NJMP... I've heard so much about those burgers, can't wait to try one.

Osterkraut wrote: Now if you want to talk about enjoyment, have at, but before you commented we were discussing protein needs and veganism's ability to meet them. Which for anything less than a sedentary lifestyle it struggles with. Though ovo-lactos and pescetarians should be able to manage quite nicely.

If you believe that, you are an idiot.

^ Mac Danzig

^ Joni Purmonen

^ Carl Lewis (yeah, the Olympics-winning one)

^ Tony Fiammetta (FB with the NE Patriots)

^ Salim Stoudamire

^ And is that Andy Lally, winner of the 2011 24 Hours of Daytona? Why yes, yes it is.

And guess what all of these athletes are? Yup, vegan. Huh, must lead "sedentary" lifestyles...

I wonder what kind of natural supps they take...

You left off the one I mentioned in a previous post, Javelin.

Donuts don't contain meat...

Seriously though, while I don't know what all these athletes diets are, I'll bet there are a lot of supplements involved. More than most atheletes.

Vegans tend to take vegan supplements, so the vitamins, etc are still coming from non-animals.

Maybe so, but they're wearing leather gloves, playing with a leather football. Poor cows had to give their life for those things. Guess they'll leave it to the rest of us to eat the meat from that cow.

They're vegans, not PETA

Meat..

NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPSff6V6qjI&feature=related

In reply to Klayfish:

Hey you're preaching to a meat-eater man. I was just refuting Osterkraut's asinine claim

And FWIW, all the vegans I know don't wear leather, etc, but I've never been berated about my choices by them, either. In my experience it's meat-eaters who are the nasty ones, which always struck me as odd. (They don't eat it, so more bacon for you. Why would you try and convince them to take your bacon?)

Osterkraut wrote: If you're setting out to consume alcohol, then yes, vodka is better. If you're setting out to consume protein, the meat is better. Enjoyment does not enter in a discussion of macro-nutrients. Well up until the point where a food tastes so awful you can't eat it. Now if you want to talk about enjoyment, have at, but before you commented we were discussing protein needs and veganism's ability to meet them. Which for anything less than a sedentary lifestyle it struggles with. Though ovo-lactos and pescetarians should be able to manage quite nicely.

Do you really set out to "consume protein," though? I certainly don't. I set out to "eat." What I eat hopefully has a good mix of protein, fats, and carbs. The concentration of the protein doesn't matter as long as there's enough of it. So if you have to eat more grams of a given food to get enough protein that doesn't seem like a problem.

I'm not fueling a machine, I'm feeding myself.

And like I've said, I'm not a vegetarian, but I'm also not deluding myself that meat is in any way "better" than not-meat.

dculberson wrote: Do you really set out to "consume protein," though? I'm not fueling a machine, I'm feeding myself.

Man, you're really gonna look at me funny. I do. Most of my meals are planned around macro nutrients. I weigh/measure a lot of what I eat. My wife's diet is completely planned around this, everything she eats is tracked...right down to how much carrot is in her salad.

Not every meal I have is that way. For example, on Friday nights, I eat whatever I want. Usually pizza (or something from the local pizza joint) and a large load of fries. But I do have zero calorie soda with it...

Klayfish wrote: Most of my meals are planned around macro nutrients. I weigh/measure a lot of what I eat. My wife's diet is completely planned around this, everything she eats is tracked...right down to how much carrot is in her salad.

Boy, that sure sounds like a lot of fun.

rotard wrote: I wonder what kind of natural supps they take...

Bingo. If you read about vegan athletes, they're constantly supplementing (at higher levels than traditional athlete's diets) with stuff like soy, pea, or hemp proteins, and eating nearly constantly (again at a higher level than traditional athlete's diets).

dculberson wrote:

Osterkraut wrote: If you're setting out to consume alcohol, then yes, vodka is better. If you're setting out to consume protein, the meat is better. Enjoyment does not enter in a discussion of macro-nutrients. Well up until the point where a food tastes so awful you can't eat it. Now if you want to talk about enjoyment, have at, but before you commented we were discussing protein needs and veganism's ability to meet them. Which for anything less than a sedentary lifestyle it struggles with. Though ovo-lactos and pescetarians should be able to manage quite nicely.

Do you really set out to "consume protein," though? I certainly don't. I set out to "eat." What I eat hopefully has a good mix of protein, fats, and carbs. The concentration of the protein doesn't matter as long as there's enough of it. So if you have to eat more grams of a given food to get enough protein that doesn't seem like a problem. I'm not fueling a machine, I'm feeding myself. And like I've said, I'm not a vegetarian, but I'm also not deluding myself that meat is in any way "better" than not-meat.

80% of my meals ARE for fueling purposes, so yes I plan meals around protein, then fats, then carbohydrates. I've got a family history of all sorts of diet-related illnesses, I'm not taking any chances. Also, in the words of LMFAO, I work out.

For someone who couldn't maintain weight while vegan, you're sure insitant that veganism is "enough."

Ok I don't get why people get all uppety about people refusing to eat animals. It is their freaking choice and it beats people who eat out at MacDonald's all the time...

93EXCivic wrote: Ok I don't get why people get all uppety about people refusing to eat animals. It is their freaking choice and it beats people who eat out at MacDonald's all the time...

So, getting uppety about McDonald's patrons is OK.

93EXCivic wrote: Ok I don't get why people get all uppety about people refusing to eat animals. It is their freaking choice and it beats people who eat out at MacDonald's all the time...

I believe I said that my first post! Look, it's not the diet that I take umbrage with, it's the idea that you don't need to, as rotard said it, do workarounds.

Osterkraut wrote: For someone who couldn't maintain weight while vegan, you're sure insitant that veganism is "enough."

A fair enough point. ;-)

@Klayfish - I promise you the Wartburgers are not only better than the name would imply, they are totally awesome.

dculberson wrote:

Osterkraut wrote: For someone who couldn't maintain weight while vegan, you're sure insitant that veganism is "enough."

A fair enough point. ;-) @Klayfish - I promise you the Wartburgers are not only better than the name would imply, they are totally awesome.

I will say though, I welcome any vegan/vegetarian to attempt to change my mind via food bribery!

In reply to Osterkraut:

Different stuff works for different folks. Some people do great as vegetarians with no supplements. Others don't seem to thrive on it as much.