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16vCorey
16vCorey UberDork
5/31/12 9:48 a.m.

So a friend of mine is in Afghanistan, and in the four or five months he's been there, he's already broken four 4 Runners! From the pics it looks like a lower ball joint issue, but one way or another the front wheels keep falling off of these things! Identities have been concealed to protect the not-so-innocent.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand UberDork
5/31/12 9:55 a.m.

Yeah they have a problem, it's called independent front suspension and it likes to break offroad. The earlier generations have a good reputation though, even though they share this poor design choice.

BTW, you can get the pickups with live axles front and back, but from the videos I've seen the terr'ists seem to own all the ones in the region

mndsm
mndsm UberDork
5/31/12 9:57 a.m.

He's doin' a good job of it, whatever he's doing.

Appleseed
Appleseed PowerDork
5/31/12 12:29 p.m.

Its a newer 4runner. There's the problem.

MarkZ28
MarkZ28 New Reader
5/31/12 12:38 p.m.

I thought the non US versions were still solid axle. Geuss Toyota went cheap there to.

aircooled
aircooled UberDork
5/31/12 1:12 p.m.

One more and he's an Ace!!!!

You need to make him some kill stickers.

16vCorey
16vCorey UberDork
5/31/12 1:23 p.m.
aircooled wrote: One more and he's an Ace!!!! You need to make him some kill stickers.

That's a great idea!

stuart in mn
stuart in mn UberDork
5/31/12 1:28 p.m.

It wouldn't have anything to do with driving through the desert at high rates of speed, would it?

Duke
Duke PowerDork
5/31/12 1:46 p.m.

They're not old enough to have rusted into a pile of component atoms yet, so no, I don't know what's wrong with that particular batch of 4runners.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy SuperDork
5/31/12 2:05 p.m.

Are they owned by a governmant and driven by military personnel? Could possibly contribute...

Uncoiled
Uncoiled Reader
5/31/12 3:37 p.m.

Thats a relativity common problem(lower ball joint breaking off), my 99 4wd had one break with 200xxx miles on it and then break again after I sold it at 235xxx. I did offroad mine, it seems to make it go faster with bigger tires and/or lift, guess you figure in that type of thing when you modify our vehicle though.

Edit: mine was not foreign though...

16vCorey
16vCorey UberDork
6/1/12 7:53 a.m.
Uncoiled wrote: Thats a relativity common problem(lower ball joint breaking off), my 99 4wd had one break with 200xxx miles on it and then break again after I sold it at 235xxx. I did offroad mine, it seems to make it go faster with bigger tires and/or lift, guess you figure in that type of thing when you modify our vehicle though. Edit: mine was not foreign though...

I guess it's not specifically a foreign market 4 Runner problem then. I haven't seen that happen yet here in the states, so I thought it might have been a problem specific to them.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand UberDork
6/1/12 8:13 a.m.

Check this out, "Lower Uniball Conversion"

http://www.chaosfab.com/toyaccess_4wd.html

Appleseed
Appleseed PowerDork
6/1/12 10:30 a.m.

Needs moar straight axle.

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand Dork
6/1/12 11:49 a.m.

Well, at least he's keeping it balanced.

z31maniac
z31maniac UberDork
6/1/12 1:17 p.m.
MarkZ28 wrote: I thought the non US versions were still solid axle. Geuss Toyota went cheap there to.

Independent suspension is cheaper than live axle?

I would have thought it was a ride quality decision since most SUV's have gone upmarket now.

icaneat50eggs
icaneat50eggs Reader
6/1/12 6:48 p.m.

I'd suggest that its a combination of a not so great part that is already prone to failure, and the type and terrain of driving.

I spent a year in afghanistan going by convoy from one FOB to another. First off, you are driving FAST, you don't want to be a slow target. Second you are always in a convoy, the unarmored vehicles like that are in the middle to rear, so you have 2-10 MRAPS (the big armored thing in the picture) throwing up tons of dust. You want to stay right on the MRAPS rear, so you are basically just following the tail lights, doing 40-50 miles an hour. Besides the inevitable pot holes, you also have IED craters that you can run right into without ever seeing them because of all the dust. Doing that over and over again is enough to rip the wheels of dang near anything.

Cotton
Cotton Dork
6/1/12 8:51 p.m.

you'd think they would stop using 4-runners with that much failure.

icaneat50eggs
icaneat50eggs Reader
6/2/12 6:50 a.m.

I swapped our tacoma's for hi luxes when ever i could, they faired much better.

Also, short of an mrap or humvee there isn't much that doesn't have a weak link somewhere that will be exposed in those rough condition, and toyota parts are way more available than any other.

16vCorey
16vCorey UberDork
6/5/12 8:01 a.m.

Aaaaaand he did it again. Number five.

16vCorey
16vCorey UberDork
6/5/12 8:02 a.m.

That one appears to have the JDM YO fender mount mirror and extended fender flares (thanks to the wheel flying off).

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand SonDork
6/5/12 8:09 a.m.

Maybe MOOG balljoints would fix the issues?

16vCorey
16vCorey UberDork
8/16/12 7:24 a.m.

Number six

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/16/12 7:49 a.m.

I've seen some "heavy duty" balljoints on rockauto, those might hold up better (if he has any say in the matter).

failboat
failboat Dork
8/16/12 8:04 a.m.

Someone is probably getting pretty good/quick at this repair.

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