So 924 guy are you saying that if enough people speed we have to change the speed limit to their speed because it would be cost prohibitive to enforce that law? In that example I like your thinking but in anything of consequence that just doesn't work. Drive down thru your local ghetto one night and just see what else you'd have to legalize with that type of thinking.
Now you're talking a dangerously slippery slope!
carguy123 wrote: So 924 guy are you saying that if enough people speed we have to change the speed limit to their speed because it would be cost prohibitive to enforce that law? In that example I like your thinking but in anything of consequence that just doesn't work. Drive down thru your local ghetto one night and just see what else you'd have to legalize with that type of thinking. Now you're talking a dangerously slippery slope!
Suggesting that "ghetto activity" represents a "norm" seems to offer another dangerously slippery slope.
By ghetto activity I'm being a realist and talking actual common day to day activity in the ghettos.
Drive bys, drugs, beatings, robberies, all things that are common to the ghetto and not so common elsewhere. So yes, they are more of a "norm" to ghetto.
But in any case if you don't like my ghetto comment you pick any illegal activity you want (such as my speeding illustration) and say that because it's widespread we won't even try to enforce it and see where it gets you.
924guy.
I was profiled by black cops in a black neighboor hood. For some reason they thought a white guy with a newer truck and a beat up VR4 on the back must of been up to no good as it only took 3 squad cars (all black officers) with several glock 22s pointed at me to write me a fix it ticket for the left side trailer light being out and the tags not being up to date on the trailer. They where up to date just the stickers where not on the plate but in my glove box.
Didnt bother me a bit. Alot of white folk cruise that area looking for drugs etc and the officers where just doing their jobs.
Oh my the horror. I just realized I was racially profiled. I dont know what to do. Some one call Sharpton and lets get this story on CNN. Oh wait thats right I am a irish decent white dude that pays taxs and works for a living. The only people sticking up for me seem to be in Arizona.
I get profiled everytime I go to Wisconsin... At that point, I'm a FIB/FISH... berkeleying Illinois Bastard/berkeleying Illinois E36 M3head. Seriously, I've been pulled over a couple of times for nothing.
Every time I drove into Nebraska with Iowa plates on the car I was profiled. I suppose that wasnt racial though.
924guy wrote: the Arizona law may claim no discrimination, but i dont see where it says EVERYONE will be asked to prove they are legal citizens, perhaps i missed that part. Without it, its discretionary and targets people that have a darker skin color, because its that race that is the focus of the illegal immigration problems. this makes it racially discriminatory by default, and carries with it a presumption of guilt, regardless of the wording.
Once again, read the bill, that is exactly what it said, EVERYONE
This section shall be enforced without regard to race, color, religion, sex, age, disability or national origin.
mtn wrote: I get profiled everytime I go to Wisconsin... At that point, I'm a FIB/FISH... berkeleying Illinois Bastard/berkeleying Illinois E36 M3head. Seriously, I've been pulled over a couple of times for nothing.
You just contradicted yourself, you got pulled over for being a FISH not for nothing 
fastmiata wrote: It must be one of those west coast things. While I really appreciate the spirit of many of the Hispanics or Latinos who have setttled in East Tenn(in some ways, they understand the free enterprise system better than the locals who seem to only want to be addicted to some artificial stimulant), the reality is that most are not legal and just leaches on the system. Calif fought and lost this battle years ago; here's hoping that no other state subcumbs to the illness.
Most of the illegals i see here in california are looking for work. How does that make them a leach?
aussiesmg wrote: I would live in Arizona in a heart beat, they seem to be the only state willing to protect the US citizens being murdered daily by the illegals crossing private property. I would and have offered to join the service as a border guard. Seems I am too old.....
what world are you from?
on a daily basis.... lol
carguy123 wrote: So 924 guy are you saying that if enough people speed we have to change the speed limit to their speed because it would be cost prohibitive to enforce that law? In that example I like your thinking but in anything of consequence that just doesn't work. Drive down thru your local ghetto one night and just see what else you'd have to legalize with that type of thinking. Now you're talking a dangerously slippery slope!
the speed limit was 55 , now its... not... it wasnt a realistic expectation, we changed it. changing one law, or set of related laws does not necessitate changing non related laws. that's like saying if you legalize pot you have to legalize cocaine and heroin as well, not so, not even close.
You dont plug a cut on your arm by putting a tourniquet on your finger, you stop the bleeding at its source. then you identify the root cause of the cut, and fix the problem so you dont get cut again. in this case, American citizens who provide incentive by employing illegals are the root cause, apparent relative ease of illegal entry is a secondary cause and sustainability once here is final factor. we have now established incentive, ability, and means to maintain. eliminate incentive and everything beyond it collapses. In that Arizona got the premise right, they just took it too far and the result is something that is predestined to violate American citizens civil rights.
apparently some feel because it has a disclaimer, it makes everything okay. I can remind people that way back in 1776 Jefferson wrote "all men are created equal" yet slavery existed for another what? 100 years after that?
we still have a long way to go... And I own 20 acres in Joseph, AZ i might be willing to sell ...
The Truth About Arizona and Illegal Aliens
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 By Bill O'Reilly
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President Obama is facing two situations that could badly damage his administration: the oil spill disaster in the Gulf and the illegal alien controversy in Arizona.
Over the weekend, hundreds of thousands of pro-illegal alien demonstrators gathered across the country. Most of the protests were peaceful, but there was some violence. The worst was in Santa Cruz, California, where at least 18 businesses were damaged.
Apparently, the far left is using the new alien law in Arizona to vent its anger, but what is the truth behind the law that allows local and state authorities to investigate immigration status?
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Governor Jan Brewer has ordered Arizona police not to question anyone unless the cops are already involved with the person. That is, investigating a violation. If police cannot prove their questioning is lawful, they can be sued.
All foreigners in the United States are required by law to carry identification, but the Arizona police cannot question them simply because of that. There has to be another reason.
Nevertheless, the far-left media in America has defined the law in Nazi terms:
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JOY BEHAR, CO-HOST, "THE VIEW": We're going to judge you on how you look. We are going to throw you in jail. And also, they're going to throw these people in jail for six months?
MICHAEL MOORE, FILMMAKER: I think it's a result of a bunch of bigots in the Republican Party of Arizona. That's what it's the result of. And it's sad that they're behaving that way and it makes the rest of us look bad as Americans.
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Nonsense. But that kind of propaganda is spreading quickly, and some folks believe it.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People with my tint of skin, they are going to be subject to criminalization just because of that. All because of personal appearance. And that's not right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: By targeting people of color in general, it's a racist piece of legislation that should not exist.
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There is no question that Hispanics in Arizona will be affected by the new law, and that makes many people uneasy. Understandable. Whenever one group is a target of anything, there will be controversy. But with more than 10 million illegal aliens currently in the USA — most of them Hispanic — there is no way to avoid the ethnic issue.
Arizona had to do something. In the capital city Phoenix, crime is totally out of control. For example, last year New York City — with six times as many residents as Phoenix — had just 16,000 more reported crimes. San Diego is the same size as Phoenix. It has 60 percent less crime. The recent murder of an Arizona rancher by a suspected illegal alien and the shooting of a deputy sheriff by alleged alien drug dealers have made the situation almost desperate.
Arizona has almost a half million illegal aliens on the ground, costing the state about $1.3 billion a year — money Arizona does not have. So a reasonable person can understand why the state instituted the crackdown.
But the liberal press is having none of that. Led by some Washington Post columnists and NBC News, cries of racism fill the air. Post writer Eugene Robinson calls the new law "racist, arbitrary, oppressive, mean-spirited, unjust." Post writer Richard Cohen says: "One thing is certain: Some cops will abuse their power — such is human nature — and the Hispanic minority will come to see the police as oppressors."
But the majority of Arizonans support the law and that includes a number of Hispanics who understand the situation must be controlled.
Obviously, the federal government has not secured the border. Remember, President Bush had eight years to do that, and now President Obama has the power. But the border remains porous, and Arizona, as well as California, New Mexico and Texas, continues to suffer.
While the left-wing media exploits the issue, they offer no solutions. Also, they often equate legal immigration with illegal. Even President Obama is falling into that trap:
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: If you are a Hispanic-American in Arizona, your great-grandparents may have been there before Arizona was even a state. But now suddenly, if you don't have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you're gonna be harassed. That's something that could potentially happen. That's not the right way to go.
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But what is the right way to go, Mr. President, with all due respect? Why can't you use federal power to seal the border against criminal enterprise? There is danger for the Obama administration here.
"The Factor" has been investigating just who exactly is supporting the pro-illegal alien lobby, and we have zeroed in on two main organizations, both extreme left.
America's Voice, founded by a man named Frank Sharry, is driving anti-Arizona sentiment through the mail and by petitions. America's Voice receives millions of dollars from the far-left Carnegie Corporation. On the board of Carnegie are former U.N. chief Kofi Annan and Janet Robinson, the president of The New York Times. It takes money to organize protests and boycotts, and America's Voice has money.
Also, the Center for American Progress, John Podesta's left-wing organization, is hammering Arizona in a number of ways. The point person here is Angela Kelley, and the effort is funded in part by the Ford Foundation, one of the most radical money enterprises in the world. For example, the Ford Foundation has given La Raza more than $3 million. Last year alone, Ford gave Podesta's outfit $1.3 million.
So you can see there is big time radical-left money behind the campaign to marginalize Arizona, and if President Obama gets tied in with these people, it will hurt him. Already, the Obama administration is making noise that it will not accept illegal aliens detained by Arizona. If ICE does not take them, the state will face chaos in its justice system.
Now, there is no question the USA needs a fair immigration system and tough new laws to control abuse. It is President Obama's job to get a fair new law on the books.
But if the debate over Arizona's action is any indication, the situation will become yet another polarizing exercise full of racist charges and hatred.
"Talking Points" believes America is basically a fair country, but the illegal immigration debacle is anything but fair. It's not fair to law-abiding Hispanic-Americans; it's not fair to the aliens themselves who are often exploited; it's not fair to the people of Arizona and other states who are seeing their localities veer out of control; and it's not fair to the police who, believe me, do not want to be chasing down house painters.
Enough is enough with this brutal situation. The media is flat-out dishonest in reporting it, and our political leadership is largely cowardly in solving it. We the people have to demand the federal government, not Arizona, control the dangerous border problem. And if they don't, we're going to have to throw them out with our votes.
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In reply to 924guy:
All men are equal... As long as they were white.
Joey
All men are created equal....not all equally created men are in this country legally.
stroker wrote:Datsun1500 wrote: Again, If I am in any other Country, I need to carry proof that I am there legally. Why the demand that it should be different here?Bingo.
Yea, and why shouldn't our immigration procedures be at east as stringent as Mexico's. How Mexico can point their finger at us is amazing.
BTW there are more than Mexicans coming across the Mexican border.
Long time ago, I got a phone call from a bud who asked if I'd been up to anything nefarious. This puzzled me, he said I needed to watch the news. Damn if there wasn't a compsite drawing of some honky with longish dark hair, a mustache and aviator style glasses who was wanted for robbing two liquor stores and a 7-11. The reason I got the phone call: the composite looked just like me. 
So let's say I had been pulled over by the po po for driving while being honky with dark hair and aviator glasses. Would that be considered profiling?
Be real careful before answering.
Besides peeing in your neighboors champange pool, nothing amuses the rich like a fight amongst the peasantry.
Jensenman wrote: Long time ago, I got a phone call from a bud who asked if I'd been up to anything nefarious. This puzzled me, he said I needed to watch the news. Damn if there wasn't a compsite drawing of some honky with longish dark hair, a mustache and aviator style glasses who was wanted for robbing two liquor stores and a 7-11. The reason I got the phone call: the composite looked just like me.
C'mon man. That's a stretch. I don't propose the cops go pulling everyone over who "looks illegal" in order to check their status. That's not at all what the Arizona legislature is proposing either. Our president is a piece of E36 M3 for (among other reasons) literally telling the world that brown families in Arizona are going to be forced to "show their papers" because they went to the store to get berkeleying ice cream. It's a ridiculous assertion for the SOLE purpose of gaining votes and it needs to stop.
Jensenman wrote: Long time ago, I got a phone call from a bud who asked if I'd been up to anything nefarious. This puzzled me, he said I needed to watch the news. Damn if there wasn't a compsite drawing of some honky with longish dark hair, a mustache and aviator style glasses who was wanted for robbing two liquor stores and a 7-11. The reason I got the phone call: the composite looked just like me.
Granted that I'm on the other side of this thing, but I knew a guy who looked like this:
But not this:
I love it when people quote Bill O'Reilly like he is real news.
96DXCivic wrote: I love it when people quote Bill O'Reilly like he is real news.
I don't think he ever pretends to be "real" news, unlike some others............
And for the record, the only time I find myself intentionally watching O'Reilly is on Wednedays - when he has a segment with Dennis Miller.
Miller simply "get's it".
oldsaw wrote:96DXCivic wrote: I love it when people quote Bill O'Reilly like he is real news.I don't think he ever pretends to be "real" news, unlike some others............ And for the record, the only time I find myself intentionally watching O'Reilly is on Wednedays - when he has a segment with Dennis Miller. Miller simply "get's it".
I'll stick to Colbert and Stewart for my comedians in politics.
TucoRamirez wrote: Besides peeing in your neighboors champange pool, nothing amuses the rich like a fight amongst the peasantry.
Haha so true.
Without cheap labor from Mexico, having their gardens tended and their factories manned could become much more expensive. The only government that would piss off rich people would have camouflage as their party uniform.
I'm wondering, if anyone on either sides are actually aware of what it takes to be in this country legally. Or if they're aware of how many different status levels there are.
And from there, how many different ways you can be here legally.
96DXCivic wrote: I'll stick to Colbert and Stewart for my comedians in politics.
I can understand your POV, but Miller pulls no punches when skewering fools AND doesn't do it for ratings.
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