As long as we keep changing the hope, we can hope the change. Hope. Changey. Hopey. Hope change.

What I am getting here in that some people like Obama and others don't. I think that sums it up nicely.

Just so we're clear though, all Obama voters are ass-hats, and since only black people vote for Obama, all black people are ass-hats, and I am a racist. This is me, face buried securely in palm, shaking head and walking away.

It's not that I don't like the guy. I think he means well, and believes in what he is doing, but doesn't realize his good intentions are paving the path to hell. Quite simply, he's in over his head. He's making decisions "above his paygrade".

I'm not an Obama supporter and I didn't vote for him, but honestly, HONESTLY, H-O-N-E-S-T-L-Y, does anyone really think that we'd be any better off if McCain and Palin would've won? Oh, the humanity!

Otto Maddox wrote: What I am getting here in that some people like Obama and others don't. I think that sums it up nicely.

Racist.

In reply to fast_eddie_72:

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i admit it....I lolled.

Aeromoto wrote: I'm not an Obama supporter and I didn't vote for him, but honestly, HONESTLY, H-O-N-E-S-T-L-Y, does anyone really think that we'd be any better off if McCain and Palin would've won? Oh, the humanity!

I said this 4 years ago... I felt sorry for whomever won the election. They were inheriting two wars, a major recession, and were still on the hunt for a terrorist. It did not matter who won, they were going to get slaughtered in the polls and would be hung up to dry with the worst presidents we ever had... even if they did the BEST job they could do. We were just in that bad of a situation

Aeromoto wrote: I'm not an Obama supporter and I didn't vote for him, but honestly, HONESTLY, H-O-N-E-S-T-L-Y, does anyone really think that we'd be any better off if McCain and Palin would've won? Oh, the humanity!

I doubt we would have had 1000 days with out a budget, a trillion wasted in stimulus and obamacare. So yeah I think we'd be better off.

In reply to alfadriver:

I applaud your well thought out posts, and appreciate your insightful input. It far exceeds the intellect of posts that have nothing to offer other than calling me a racist and ignorant. Thank you.

I do not agree with your assessment, and won't go into a lot of detail, because I think it has been reasonably well covered.

I would, however, add that my own professional experience during the tenure of this president has been the polar opposite of what you describe, and much of it can be blamed on bad policy.

While your industry was being bailed out, mine (construction) was being flushed down the toilet. Policy decisions exhibited a fundamental lack of understanding, allowing the largest decline in history for a sector that provided an enormous percentage of well paying jobs to a huge number of people. There are higher wages in automotive jobs, but not more people employed. Construction represents a much bigger cross-section of the economy, and includes multiple strata of economic classes. All have been wiped out. I have left the industry I invested 35 years of my life in because it is no longer possible to earn a living wage, and will not be again in my working career. I know hundreds of people in a similar position.

Family businesses have closed, talented professionals have left the industry, opportunity for job growth and advancement have vanished in every community in this country.

7 trillion dollars of net worth has been erased from the assets of American property owners, while the pockets of wealthy lenders and union shops have been lined with gold.

There has never been a redistribution of wealth of the magnitude that has taken place during this administration, and it was vastly augmented by the policies of the administration.

I simply have to disagree with your assessment. Your industry was not saved by President Obama. Mine was raped and robbed of it's value and self-sufficiency, and yours was rewarded for its bad decisions and falsely propped up.

mad_machine wrote: I said this 4 years ago... I felt sorry for whomever won the election. They were inheriting two wars, a major recession, and were still on the hunt for a terrorist. It did not matter who won, they were going to get slaughtered in the polls and would be hung up to dry with the worst presidents we ever had... even if they did the BEST job they could do. We were just in that bad of a situation

I work in health care and could have very well lost my job because of Obama's policies.

I still wouldn't have voted for a Republican candidate because of their association with the bible thumpers. And having Palin one stroke away from the Oval Office? If I could have voted against them twice, I would have.

In the upcoming election, I'll be voting for some third party choice, because there is no way I'm voting for the President or the Big O or le petit mort or whatever you want to call him now and the Republicans can still kiss my atheist butt.

I work in health insurance and obamacare can go berkeley itself.

^ insurance companies wish they could still drop people based on the conditions they develop

ThePhranc wrote:

Aeromoto wrote: I'm not an Obama supporter and I didn't vote for him, but honestly, HONESTLY, H-O-N-E-S-T-L-Y, does anyone really think that we'd be any better off if McCain and Palin would've won? Oh, the humanity!

I doubt we would have had 1000 days with out a budget, a trillion wasted in stimulus and obamacare. So yeah I think we'd be better off.

Racist

fritzsch wrote: ^ insurance companies wish they could still drop people based on the conditions they develop

Hahaha!! Too funny!!

fritzsch wrote: ^ insurance companies wish they could still drop people based on the conditions they develop

You're worse than a racist. You're a Liberal.

fast_eddie_72 wrote:

fritzsch wrote: ^ insurance companies wish they could still drop people based on the conditions they develop

You're worse than a racist. You're a Liberal.

Woah, sorry. Don't know what got into me. That was out of line. That's not something you go around calling people. I mean, come on. If that was true you'd probably be in jail, or Canada. Sorry, man. Hope you can let that slide.

The healthcare industry can go berkeley itself. I have diabetes. Sorry, I'm just bitter.

fast_eddie_72 wrote:

fritzsch wrote: ^ insurance companies wish they could still drop people based on the conditions they develop

You're worse than a racist. You're a Liberal.

Getting the axe by suits in a boardroom or getting the axe by bureaucrats in a conference room? Gee, I dunno, but the end result is the same because the bottom line is still the bottom line. Hint: Independent Payment Advisory Board

Maybe it boils down to what makes one feel better.

Otto Maddox wrote: What I am getting here in that some people like Obama and others don't. I think that sums it up nicely.

Correction - I don't like politicians. I dislike most politicians less than Obama. I love the USA.

IN this thread:

oldsaw knocks it out the park.

Appleseed wrote: The healthcare industry can go berkeley itself. I have diabetes. Sorry, I'm just bitter.

I have crohnes.. I can't afford to buy healthcare on my own

oldsaw wrote:

fast_eddie_72 wrote:

fritzsch wrote: ^ insurance companies wish they could still drop people based on the conditions they develop

You're worse than a racist. You're a Liberal.

Getting the axe by suits in a boardroom or getting the axe by bureaucrats in a conference room? Gee, I dunno, but the end result is the same because the bottom line is still the bottom line. Hint: Independent Payment Advisory Board Maybe it boils down to what makes one feel better.

What makes me happy is taking the $250 a month that I would have been paying to an insurance company and sticking it in a savings account where it makes itself more money. Having done that for over 10 years only taking out a few hundred over that time when I needed it has left me feeling pretty safe is a catastrophic event were to happen.

I like the freedom of choice. Or at least I'll like it until obamcare forces that choice out of my hands by threat of asset confiscation, arrest and physical harm.

I wish it was only $250 a month for me. With the economy the way it is.. I make between 2 and 3 grand a month at the moment.. they wanted to take almost a third of that for healthcare

$250 a month! Sign me up... $800 a month... um.. no thankyou!