As many as 1 millions New Yorkers are about to break the law.

The0retical wrote:

neon4891 wrote: I played it safe and removed the muzzle brake from my 10/22... With out getting into the topic of small North Atlantic flat fish, "if" Cuomo loses re-election to an Anti-SAFE Act based candidate, How easily could the law be repealed?

Not to be negative Nancy but even if it were repealed the database in its current form would never go away. They'll always know who the gun owners are. Anyone who thinks registering legally obtained long guns should read up on what a waste of money and resources it was for Canada. That's one of the reasons why Canada got rid of it. I'm sure our Canadian posters could give more info. The Forbes financial breakdown.

the government likes wasting money and resources... it makes them feel useful.

I wonder how much lawmakers in New York are regretting that since Remington is moving down to Huntsville. I bet because of this law....

In reply to 93EXCivic:

Its precisely due to that law, and I assume only the lawmakers who have the employees/retirees from that factory in their district.

yamaha wrote: In reply to 93EXCivic: Its precisely due to that law, and I assume only the lawmakers who have the employees/retirees from that factory in their district.

Personally I love that they passed that law since it means that I have an interview with a certain large firearm maker.

In reply to 93EXCivic:

maybe the cost to manufacture won't be as high out of that weird state.

EDIT: meanining out of NY and into a decent, less expensive state. NY being the weird one.

NYS is eliminating business tax. Or something.

businesses don't pay taxes … (always remember that … any taxes levied on them get passed on to consumers)

Alabama is a right to work state … right ? by by unions

In reply to 93EXCivic:

Cool, tell them to move the slide release for the 870 to someplace NOT E36 M3ty.

I assume Remington is doing alright. They've had an ammo manufacturing plant in central AR since the mid '80s, employes quite a few folks, and are scheduled to finish a ~100 employee expansion/new addition of the facility sometime this summer.

Here's hoping that I'll be able to get .22 LR & .17 HMR shortly after they open the new plant.

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yamaha wrote: In reply to 93EXCivic: Cool, tell them to move the slide release for the 870 to someplace NOT E36 M3ty.

That's why God created the Mossberg 500.

wbjones wrote: businesses don't pay taxes … (always remember that … any taxes levied on them get passed on to consumers)

Not exactly true. It's possible for them to pass it onto their employees (in the form of lower pay/less benefits), executives (in the form of less redonkulous pay) or shareholders (in the form of lower returns) instead.

OK … same difference … the business still doesn't pay taxes

Yeah, they do pay taxes!

wbjones wrote: businesses don't pay taxes … (always remember that … any taxes levied on them get passed on to consumers)

Consumers don't pay taxes either. Any taxes levied on them get passed on in the form of not buying from businesses.

The good people of New York are being screwed by a few politicians that are pandering to the sheeple that live in the urban areas. NYC primarily. Same thing in Illinois, etc.

iceracer wrote: NYS is eliminating business tax. Or something.

For X number of years.

Datsun1500 wrote: A business does pay taxes. It pays taxes on the profits, payroll taxes, etc. It might pass some of that operating cost on in the form of higher prices or lower profits, but that's not the same as not paying taxes. Those "evil corporations" also provide jobs to a lot of people.

I didn't mean they didn't have to right the check at the end of the yr. they pass along the $$$ paid out in taxes (in one fashion or another). or they end up bankrupt.

most, if not all, businesses have cut everything to the bone, as far as trying to maximize profit

they've cut workers, they've cut inventory, they've cut benefits, they've cut everything they can to stay in the black … so any taxes that have to be paid can't come out of the profit stream

so those taxes get passed on …. i.e. they don't pay taxes

dang it … I really don't like the lack of formatting that happens when I quote/reply to a post … there were several paragraphs in this post

aircooled wrote:

wbjones wrote: businesses don't pay taxes … (always remember that … any taxes levied on them get passed on to consumers)

Consumers don't pay taxes either. Any taxes levied on them get passed on in the form of not buying from businesses.

you still have to buy things … even if you cut back … I can cut back (which is what businesses do also) … but I can't NOT spend money … I have to have food, shelter, clothes, fuel … etc

unless I plan on joining the homeless roaming the streets

as an individual you don't have to show a profit …businesses do (or they go out of business)

wbjones wrote: most, if not all, businesses have cut everything to the bone, as far as trying to maximize profit they've cut workers, they've cut inventory, they've cut benefits, they've cut everything they can to stay in the black … so any taxes that have to be paid can't come out of the profit stream so those taxes get passed on …. i.e. they don't pay taxes

Nonsense, any medium/large business will have plenty of room to cut back, just in areas they'd rather not. The exec's pay is a mighty large expense, but the exec doesn't want to cut his own pay and the directors don't want to cut it either, because they're all a club of buddies voting to increase each other's pay and nobody wants to be the debbie downer to break the chain (which is what led to this silly situation).

TRoglodyte wrote: The good people of New York are being screwed by a few politicians that are pandering to the sheeple that live in the urban areas. NYC primarily. Same thing in Illinois, etc.

I've no dog in this fight, I don't oppose guns, but I don't own one. But presenting this as sheeple and implying a minority isn't exactly accurate. Somewhat out of date now, but as you can see historically 30-40% of people think things are OK as they are. 40-60% of people think that gun laws should be tightened up and only around 10% think they are too strict.

GameboyRMH wrote:

wbjones wrote: most, if not all, businesses have cut everything to the bone, as far as trying to maximize profit they've cut workers, they've cut inventory, they've cut benefits, they've cut everything they can to stay in the black … so any taxes that have to be paid can't come out of the profit stream so those taxes get passed on …. i.e. they don't pay taxes

Nonsense, any medium/large business will have plenty of room to cut back, just in areas they'd rather not. The exec's pay is a mighty large expense, but the exec doesn't want to cut his own pay and the directors don't want to cut it either, because they're all a club of buddies voting to increase each other's pay and nobody wants to be the debbie downer to break the chain (which is what led to this silly situation).

you're making my point for me …. they've cut to the bone everything that they can/are willing to cut … so taxes get passed on … one way or another … they're built into the price of their goods or services

wbjones wrote: ...I have to have food, shelter, clothes, fuel … etc ...

Cheaper cloths, cheaper food, cheaper shelter.

wbjones wrote: ...as an individual you don't have to show a profit …businesses do (or they go out of business)

Businesses don't HAVE to show a profit. The result of overwhelming dept on people is pretty similar to businesses: They loose pretty much everything, affects other people, then they have to try and start over. (Might even be worse for people)

(not trying to create an argument, just trying to put a perspective on it)

Adrian_Thompson wrote: I've no dog in this fight, I don't oppose guns, but I don't own one. But presenting this as sheeple and implying a minority isn't exactly accurate. Somewhat out of date now, but as you can see historically 30-40% of people think things are OK as they are. 40-60% of people think that gun laws should be tightened up and only around 10% think they are too strict.

Federal laws? Local laws? City ordinances?

In New York or California you have extremely strict gun laws. Here in Missouri, gun laws are relaxed. I think MY laws are OK and can even be relaxed more.

I can only speak for my state.

Is this chart from NY State?

N Sperlo wrote:

Adrian_Thompson wrote: I've no dog in this fight, I don't oppose guns, but I don't own one. But presenting this as sheeple and implying a minority isn't exactly accurate. Somewhat out of date now, but as you can see historically 30-40% of people think things are OK as they are. 40-60% of people think that gun laws should be tightened up and only around 10% think they are too strict.

Federal laws? Local laws? City ordinances? In New York or California you have extremely strict gun laws. Here in Missouri, gun laws are relaxed. I think MY laws are OK and can even be relaxed more. I can only speak for my state.

This. Don't forget that most of these "polls" are quickly following some form of shooting/tragedy that none of the gun laws proposed would have had any affect on. That will always skew the numbers of the sheeple that don't know the current laws.

Also don't forget: those at the "edges" of these things are FAR more vocal then those (generally more numerous) in the "middle".