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Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
6/22/18 9:59 a.m.

And theoretically you can find the COG of the boat by pushing it back on the trailer 1 inch at a time until the tongue weight is at or near 0. Then the COG of boat is basically right on top of axle (or a little behind assuming trailer COG is in front of its own axle).

Ransom
Ransom GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
6/22/18 10:25 a.m.

In reply to Duke :

It doesn't work for two arbitrary points; d1 in Sparkydog's drawing is specifically the distance from the axle to the center of gravity.

I'll borrow his sketch to illustrate. We'll have two trailers, each with an 8' distance from axle to tongue, each with a 1,000 lb tongue weight.

Trailer 1:

  • CoG is 1' forward of axle, so d1 is 1' forward of axle
  • d2/d1 is 8/1 = 8; that times 1000 lb is 8000 lb overall weight
  • But if we happened to take the weight at 6' forward of the axle, it would be 1/6 * 8000, or 1333.3 lb

Trailer 2:

  • CoG is 2' forward of axle, so d1 is 2' forward of axle
  • d2/d1 is 8/2 = 4; that times 1000 lb is 4000 lb overall weight
  • Taking the weight at 6' forward of the axle, it would be 2/6 * 4000, or 1333.3 lb; the same value we got above

The upshot is that we get the same tongue weight AND the same weight at other locations than the tongue for a system whose mass and CoG together provide a given tongue weight.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
6/22/18 10:49 a.m.

In reply to Ransom :

Ah, thank you for the explanation.  It's been 30 years since my last statics courses, and my structural courses didn't really get into CG etc because it isn't excessively relevant in structural engineering.

Sparkydog
Sparkydog Reader
6/22/18 11:27 a.m.

Well said! Since the OP's original goal was to estimate total weight using tongue weight, if the CG of the boat+trailer is directly over the axle centerline then you don't have a tongue weight and therefore can't estimate anything.

Put another way - if all someone is trying to do is get a somewhat reliable DIY weight then they should intentionally shift their boat far enough forward on the trailer so that there's a definite distance separating axle CL and CG location. The larger the value of d1 the more accurate the tongue weight technique will work.

RX8driver
RX8driver Reader
6/23/18 7:58 a.m.

Shifting the boat will help you get its CG, but not the trailer's. That will still give an incorrect weight for the whole system.

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