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Drewsifer
Drewsifer Dork
4/25/12 9:12 a.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfkscHt96R0

StuChaifetz said: On the morning of Friday, February 17, 2012, I wired my son and sent him to school. That night, when I listened to the audio my life forever changed, for I heard my son being bullied by his teacher and aide.

Some of the tidbits are the teachers talking about being hung over, yelling at kids to shut up, and taunting the kid for muttering to himself.

mndsm
mndsm UberDork
4/25/12 9:24 a.m.

Holy E36 M3, that's laaaaaaaame. You gonna call cops and school admins and whatnot?

Drewsifer
Drewsifer Dork
4/25/12 9:29 a.m.
mndsm wrote: Holy E36 M3, that's laaaaaaaame. You gonna call cops and school admins and whatnot?

Sorry, not my son. I was quoting from the guys video. I'll change that.

fasted58
fasted58 UltraDork
4/25/12 9:46 a.m.

didn't watch the entire clip... but from what I did see... that sucked

Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon MegaDork
4/25/12 9:50 a.m.

Watched the whole thing. The teachers were really treating this kid like E36 M3. When one called him a 'bastard', that was really bad and at least she got fired. The worst part was that the teachers' union and the school district have slammed the door and won't release any information.

mndsm
mndsm UberDork
4/25/12 10:07 a.m.
Drewsifer wrote:
mndsm wrote: Holy E36 M3, that's laaaaaaaame. You gonna call cops and school admins and whatnot?
Sorry, not my son. I was quoting from the guys video. I'll change that.

Ok, still horseE36 M3.... but I was about to be causin' problems. I might joke and use off-color words IE "retard" but that is some E36 M3 I take rather seriously.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/25/12 10:20 a.m.

Wow those are the very last people who should be teaching these kids

RossD
RossD UltraDork
4/25/12 10:43 a.m.

Sad.

ThePhranc
ThePhranc HalfDork
4/25/12 10:47 a.m.

My little brother has hydrocephalus and is learning impaired. I would beat the holy E36 M3 out of any mother berkeleyer that treated him like that.

BoostedBrandon
BoostedBrandon HalfDork
4/25/12 11:14 a.m.

Teachers unions are bull. Some jagoff can get their tenure in like two years, and then be a crappy teacher, and never get fired for it. It takes college professors YEARS to get tenure.

I think the union should be much tougher to get into, and even then do more for what's right than to protect their bad teachers.

madmallard
madmallard HalfDork
4/25/12 12:52 p.m.
Curmudgeon wrote: The worst part was that the teachers' union and the school district have slammed the door and won't release any information.

I don't see how thats the worst part, thats the most predictable and expected part in all this. :/

A union's job is the same as a politicians: which is to say a union function is to keep a job, not to do a job.

In the interest of keeping that job, they will lawyer up and throw the entire weight of the union's legal team behind them short of an obvious crime committed...

alex
alex UltraDork
4/25/12 1:06 p.m.

A bit off topic, but I really wonder about the legality of these recordings. Even if it's a one-party state (where only one person in the conversation has knowledge of and consents to the recording), I wonder if a minor can qualify as the 'one party.' It seems to me that this is akin to bugging the room to record the conversation, which is generally pretty illegal.

This father (though his intentions are undeniably in the right place, and the legality neither diminishes the impact of these recordings nor should it become the focus of this story) may have got himself into a river of E36 M3 with this.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UberDork
4/25/12 1:13 p.m.
alex wrote: A bit off topic, but I really wonder about the legality of these recordings. Even if it's a one-party state (where only one person in the conversation has knowledge of and consents to the recording), I wonder if a minor can qualify as the 'one party.' It seems to me that this is akin to bugging the room to record the conversation, which is generally pretty illegal. This father (though his intentions are undeniably in the right place, and the legality neither diminishes the impact of these recordings nor should it become the focus of this story) may have got himself into a river of E36 M3 with this.

No legal issues when one person involved is recording. Over the phone, all parties must be aware.

If it is used only to prove what there child was involved with (bullying) the recorder is in the clear. Anything privately that has nothing to do with the child is questionable at most.

(in addition, what my original post was going to be) What a bunch of berkeleying douchbags.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
4/25/12 1:16 p.m.

Poor kid.

jrw1621
jrw1621 PowerDork
4/25/12 1:19 p.m.

I feel for the father and genuinely teared up listening to him but as listed above, I wonder if he is in for a legal fight with the recordings. I hope not.

PS: my wife is a teacher and we expect there will come a day where the entire classroom is video and sound recorded giving parents access to streaming video. The dog watching/sitting places do it. (not comparing kids to dogs) There are a whole list of legal issues there including outsiders watching and kids being broadcasted.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UberDork
4/25/12 1:24 p.m.
jrw1621 wrote: PS: my wife is a teacher and we expect there will come a day where the entire classroom is video and sound recorded giving parents access to streaming video. The dog watching/sitting places do it. (not comparing kids to dogs) There are a whole list of legal issues there including outsiders watching and kids being broadcasted.

Many of our local schools are wired, but its for the protection of the teachers. (primarily)

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/25/12 2:00 p.m.

I can't believe that the teachers remain anonymous. They could be transferring to my kids school right now. They should face the public and never work in education again!

I know that teaching is thankless and doesn't pay as much as it should and that will lead to some bad apples and there is a bigger systemic issue that needs resolved, but this is still inexcusable. There are too many people out there with fresh teaching degrees and student loans that would love a job in their field and would never, NEVER act like that.

alex
alex UltraDork
4/25/12 2:18 p.m.
N Sperlo wrote: No legal issues when one person involved is recording. Over the phone, all parties must be aware.

Both of these depend on the state, but this is indeed the case in MO. Not in IL (and others), though, for the record.

93EXCivic
93EXCivic UltimaDork
4/25/12 2:47 p.m.

Those teachers should be fired and then horsewhipped.

I Am Keyser Söze
I Am Keyser Söze SuperDork
4/25/12 3:10 p.m.

My son's Autistic.

You guys just gave me a reason to stay here.

Thanks

spitfirebill
spitfirebill SuperDork
4/25/12 3:49 p.m.

I wonder out loud if the union might come after the dad to put him in his place.

I'm not a fan of unions, but especially teacher unions. My wife is a 30 year teacher.

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
4/25/12 3:55 p.m.

my buddy is going through something similar at work.

he has aspergers and is getting pushed around and put down by someone he must deal with on a daily basis, making his anxiety go through the roof, and HR told him to "learn to deal with it"

not cool. i'd personally like to beat the crap out of those "teachers", my wife works in the DD field an i've come to have a great respect for the people both with the disabilities and those who are compassionate enough to work to make their lives better even though they make the same per hour as a burger flipper.

Osterkraut
Osterkraut UltraDork
4/25/12 4:01 p.m.

But but but teachers are these perfect, underpaid angels.

DrBoost
DrBoost UberDork
4/25/12 4:08 p.m.

I will say this. I give MASSIVE respect to the dad. I am sure I would NOT have handled it at well. As much as I hate to say it, I'd sue. The only reason is because that's how our legal system is set up. If the school has to pay, the insurance company will pipe up. Nobody cares 'till it hurts the bottom line $$$

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/25/12 4:26 p.m.

Cherry Hill is a nice rich area too. It is basically a suburb of Philly on the Jersey side of the river. Money is not an issue for that school system.. so they have no excuse to hire such mouthbreathers who verbally beat down and berate the kids and boast how they went out drinking wine the night before and came to work still drunk

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