I have driven in the snow exactly once in my life. I love the south. 
I have driven in the snow exactly once in my life. I love the south.
I enjoy driving in the snow. I remember when I had my first gen hyundai excel, I used to pass 4x4s in the snow.. and not just a couple of inches either.
Under the right conditions, I find that there is nothing better than driving in the snow!
Such as on a winter nav rally, which I missed, again (sigh):
And the good thing is that there are no drivers around like those that caused this thread to be started.
Jay wrote:HiTempguy wrote:Ya, but only if you've got a central LSD which 90% of SUVs and "Crossovers" don't. (Or they have a locker which is just permanently left open.)SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: It is an aid to assist acceleration on slippery or loose surfaces, not braking on those said surfaces.Actually, 4wd/awd does help with braking... just not nearly as much as accelerating.
Argh. If it's 4WD, there's no differential at all in the transfercase. If there's a diff in the middle, it's AWD.
So what`s an AWD vehicle with a center locking diff, Mr Pedantic Man?
On my way into work today I had someone in a minivan tailgating me on a road that was mostly ice. My inner devil got the better of me and I brake checked them twice. My car with snows stops way better than the van with all seasons so back off please.
njansenv wrote: So what`s an AWD vehicle with a center locking diff, Mr Pedantic Man?
either a 4runner/Lexus GX or a landcruiser/Lexus LX
bradyzq wrote: Under the right conditions, I find that there is nothing better than driving in the snow! Such as on a winter nav rally, which I missed, again (sigh): SMCC Rallye des Neiges 2011 And the good thing is that there are no drivers around like those that caused this thread to be started.
You could always hit the Maple Leaf Winter Rally - Bancroft, ON
http://www.mlrc.ca/MLWR/index.html
Apexcarver wrote: I think one of the key things that puts the SUV drivers into trouble is that you dont get much of any feel for whats happening at the contact patches in them. They are numb and provide very little feedback. A miata or such is a different story, you KNOW what is happening at the contact patches.
I agree. I have driven Capri's, Fiesta's, and Mustangs in the snow and have enjoyed all of them. The Capri & Mustang needed some ballast in the trunk but 100 lbs was all it took. And of course a FWD Fiesta was a blast to drive in the snow. Even with the stock 12 inch tires! When I bought the Mustang (1992 LX W/5.0L & 5 sp.) I was asked what I was going to drive in the winter and I said the Mustang. The only thing I did was buy a set of all-season tires.
I remember driving home one night after a blast of snow that afternoon and passing everyone on the interstate while doing less then the speed limit.
Last year I was forced to drive the Bimmer all winter.. and it was the worst winter we had in a dozen years. With worn out summer tyres and the stock LSD, my 318ti was not too bad in the snow. Getting going was fun as the car would want to go sideways some as I accelerated.. it was interesting to watch how much people would back off while I was accelerating while doing down the road at an angle.
njansenv wrote: So what`s an AWD vehicle with a center locking diff, Mr Pedantic Man?
AWD. You don't call a locking diff in a drive axle a "spool", do you?
jimbbski wrote: I agree. I have driven Capri's, Fiesta's, and Mustangs in the snow and have enjoyed all of them. The Capri & Mustang needed some ballast in the trunk but 100 lbs was all it took. And of course a FWD Fiesta was a blast to drive in the snow. Even with the stock 12 inch tires! When I bought the Mustang (1992 LX W/5.0L & 5 sp.) I was asked what I was going to drive in the winter and I said the Mustang. The only thing I did was buy a set of all-season tires. I remember driving home one night after a blast of snow that afternoon and passing everyone on the interstate while doing less then the speed limit.
Been there, done that. Except my Mustang at the time was a 2.3L convertible with a busted top, so they got to see my face as I drove past their spun out 4x4 SUV.
The best snow car I've ever had though was my old 5-speed SR5 hachi. Skinny tires, perfect weight balance, and driving the correct wheels. I love the feeling of passing someone in a lifted bro truck who just looked at your car and asked you if you were lost not 10 minutes before when were both at the same rest stop. 
ReverendDexter wrote:njansenv wrote: So what`s an AWD vehicle with a center locking diff, Mr Pedantic Man?AWD. You don't call a locking diff in a drive axle a "spool", do you?
I don't mean "auto locking when spin is sensed", I mean "locked". As in, 4wd mode. It's not all that black and white.
Picture from today's online version of my hometown paper.
82 - 84 Audi 4000 quattro, locking center diff.
In reply to njansenv: 88 - 91 Subaru XT6 has a locking center diff.
Supercoupe wrote: 82 - 84 Audi 4000 quattro, locking center diff.
To take over the role of Pedantic Man, it would be 84-87 for the 4000 quattro. The (ur)Quattro, and 5000 quattro also came with the center locking diff. It's my favourite setup in the snow!
jrw1621 wrote: Picture from today's online version of my hometown paper.
That about sums up my thoughts on SUV's, inept/incompetent SUV drivers, implied safety/capability of SUV's and the like.
I'd LOVE to know the chain of events that led to that outcome. 
gamby wrote:jrw1621 wrote: Picture from today's online version of my hometown paper.That about sums up my thoughts on SUV's, inept/incompetent SUV drivers, implied safety/capability of SUV's and the like. I'd LOVE to know the chain of events that led to that outcome.
Probably went something like this...
"Well, I was pulling out of my driveway, when I got an incoming text. Obviously I couldn't read the text while I had the phone to my ear... DUH!!! As I was lowering the phone to read the text, the Egg McMuffin fell of my lap onto the floor. As I was reaching down to pick up my breakfast the vehicle suddenly went out of control, with no warning whatsoever!!!"
Cuz as we all know, it's NEVER the driver LOSING control of the vehicle.
Yep, you guessed it. I had another eventful commute to work today, except this time the roads were perfectly clear.
Apparently, everyone was so relieved that the roads were dry, that they figured they could afford to be a little less attentive behind the wheel today.
Driver claims to have fallen asleep (at around Noon??)
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/vermilion-twp/news/2011/feb/03/sandusky-woman-injured-rollover-ohio-2
jrw1621 wrote: Driver claims to have fallen asleep (at around Noon??) http://www.sanduskyregister.com/vermilion-twp/news/2011/feb/03/sandusky-woman-injured-rollover-ohio-2
That could well be for insurance reasons. If she was wide awake, she was "Driving Too Fast For Conditions" and they could raise her rates severely or go hard on her with the claim. Of course, they can still raise her rates if she was asleep, but they wouldn't necessarily have as valid a reason.
At least, that's what the cop told me a long time ago. I actually did fall asleep driving in the middle of the night and rolled my father's Civic hatch. I figured I was in seriously deep doo doo if I admitted falling asleep at the wheel to the cop, so I told him I ran off the outside of the road and rolled it trying to get back on (which was true, I just omitted the "being asleep" part). He went away for a while, and then came back and said we were going to change my story to say I fell asleep, so that the insurance company wouldn't say I was hooning instead.
gamby wrote:jrw1621 wrote: Picture from today's online version of my hometown paper.That about sums up my thoughts on SUV's, inept/incompetent SUV drivers, implied safety/capability of SUV's and the like. I'd LOVE to know the chain of events that led to that outcome.
Lots of us own SUV's and don't do that. Don't lump us all in with that crowd. My Explorer tows my E36 M3 around and still makes a decent DD. It is a 98 and paid for long ago.
NGTD wrote: Lots of us own SUV's and don't do that. Don't lump us all in with that crowd. My Explorer tows my E36 M3 around and still makes a decent DD. It is a 98 and paid for long ago.
exactly. remember it doesnt take an SUV to accomplish amazingly stupid driving feats.
10 out of 10 points for style
grafmiata wrote:gamby wrote:Probably went something like this... "Well, I was pulling out of my driveway, when I got an incoming text. Obviously I couldn't read the text while I had the phone to my ear... DUH!!! As I was lowering the phone to read the text, the Egg McMuffin fell of my lap onto the floor. As I was reaching down to pick up my breakfast the vehicle suddenly went out of control, with no warning whatsoever!!!" Cuz as we all know, it's NEVER the driver LOSING control of the vehicle. Yep, you guessed it. I had another eventful commute to work today, except this time the roads were perfectly clear. Apparently, everyone was so relieved that the roads were dry, that they figured they could afford to be a little less attentive behind the wheel today.jrw1621 wrote: Picture from today's online version of my hometown paper.That about sums up my thoughts on SUV's, inept/incompetent SUV drivers, implied safety/capability of SUV's and the like. I'd LOVE to know the chain of events that led to that outcome.
I don't know, the excuse I always get is devoid of any such information. I normally get :
"I was driving down the road, and the car just spun around and..."
And I stop them and say something like "No, it didn't."
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