BIRTHERS,

I'll send the bill to the Donald.

I knew who posted this one just by reading the title. Wonder why that is.

As far as the Birthers, Liberals and just about every one else.

"Americans across the political spectrum distrust the news media..."

That is the main problem.

huge-O-chavez wrote: Tell me any other president or candidate in the history of the US who has had this sort of scrutiny? Or has been required to show his Birth Certificate? Anyone in modern history? Nope..

Could it possibly be that EVERY other president in modern history HAS been required to show his birth certificate, and promptly did so with zero fuss or reason for public scrutiny?

Nah. That couldn't be it.

Oh, and for the record, while I don't like Obama or his presidency, I don't particularly feel it was won fraudulently. Other than the general fraud perpetrated by almost every politician, just to get elected in the first place.

Toyman01 wrote: "Americans across the political spectrum distrust the news media..." That is the main problem.

I'd actually say that if they didn't have talking heads on both sides telling them to distrust the media they would realize it's actually pretty good.

Duke wrote: Could it possibly be that EVERY other president in modern history HAS been required to show his birth certificate, and promptly did so with zero fuss or reason for public scrutiny? Nah. That couldn't be it.

Simply not true though..

huge-O-chavez wrote:

Duke wrote: Could it possibly be that EVERY other president in modern history HAS been required to show his birth certificate, and promptly did so with zero fuss or reason for public scrutiny? Nah. That couldn't be it.

Simply not true though..

If you insist. I'm glad you're so well endowed with omniscience.

huge-O-chavez wrote:

Duke wrote: Could it possibly be that EVERY other president in modern history HAS been required to show his birth certificate, and promptly did so with zero fuss or reason for public scrutiny? Nah. That couldn't be it.

Simply not true though..

Are you going to discredit his statement by pointing out that legal birth certificates as we know them now didn't exist until recently or are you going to make a relevant argument by pointing out a president in the last 40-50 years who didn't produce a birth certificate?

MrJoshua wrote: are you going to make a relevant argument by pointing out a president in the last 40-50 years who didn't produce a birth certificate?

This..

My answer is.. All of them.

interesting reading from quick google search

huge-O-chavez wrote:

MrJoshua wrote: are you going to make a relevant argument by pointing out a president in the last 40-50 years who didn't produce a birth certificate?

This.. My answer is.. All of them.

An honest question: Is that true?

MrJoshua wrote: An honest question: Is that true?

As far as I know... While many people will throw out crazy rants and articles to influence people to vote in noone has gone under this sort of scrutiny nor has there been a "show your birth certificate or go straight to jail do not collect $200" effort with anyone.

Is there a "showing of the birth certificate ceremony"? nope, never has been the real call for one until a black guy go into office.

The reason no one else hasn't had anyone looking at their birth records is that there have been no doubts about anyone else. It was either very clear or proof was furnished. This guy has tried to avoid the scrutiny which or course makes everyone suspicious.

I just presumed that since it was a prerequisite for the job that there was some sort of system that proved you up before you could run. Apparently not.

I'm still hoping he's not proven a borned citizen, but for all the wrong reasons.

I've actually stopped reading the crazy stuff and stick to cnn.com, nytimes latimes, csmonitor, bbc and aljeezera (plus some ft.com and wsj.com)

Yes sir, this shows how well rounded your viewpoints of politics in America are...except do we really believe you read the Christian Science Monitor page

Iggy, Did you consider that "black" didn't enter into it. Maybe it was just the possibility that he wasn't born here. Maybe they thought they couldn't beat him in a stand up fight and were grasping at straws.

Just FYI, I think he was and have no dog in this fight.

I'm a southern redneck and I didn't vote for him, but the color of his skin didn't even enter into my decision. Policy > skin color.

huge-O-chavez wrote:

MrJoshua wrote: An honest question: Is that true?

As far as I know... While many people will throw out crazy rants and articles to influence people to vote in noone has gone under this sort of scrutiny nor has there been a "show your birth certificate or go straight to jail do not collect $200" effort with anyone. Is there a "showing of the birth certificate ceremony"? nope, never has been the real call for one until a black guy go into office.

Seriously? Don't you have to show one to get a job in pretty much every public service position? Seriously, I am asking?

As for the "attacking him because he's a black guy" stuff-the gov't isn't trying to discredit him, the opposition is and it doesn't have to be because he is black. The opposition tried really hard to discredit Bush claiming their was doubt about his education. The opposition tries to discredit everything about the opponent. Hell-the media drew cartoons with Bush as a monkey yet you can't question anything about Obama without being racist?

huge-O-chavez wrote: Is there a "showing of the birth certificate ceremony"? nope, never has been the real call for one until a black guy go into office.

Prove your assertion or admit you're a troll.

Legal birth certificates didn't exist then? I'm older than him and I have one.

And as many others have pointed out there is no notary, or recording stamping anywhere on there. It has none of the trappings that all the other birth certificates of that era have. Supposedly it's not even on the forms that were used back then.

Duke wrote: Prove your assertion or admit you're a troll.

When you gonna delete this post and run away??

carguy123 wrote: The reason no one else hasn't had anyone looking at their birth records is that there have been no doubts about anyone else. It was either very clear or proof was furnished. This guy has tried to avoid the scrutiny which or course makes everyone suspicious. I just presumed that since it was a prerequisite for the job that there was some sort of system that proved you up before you could run. Apparently not. I'm still hoping he's not proven a borned citizen, but for all the wrong reasons.

Interesting thought: The repubs could prove Obama isn't a citizen and in a great show of compassion change the laws and allow him to stay in office. That would open the door for:

Ahnuld!

(Although that may present some problems with the "War on Drugs!)

MrJoshua wrote: Seriously? Don't you have to show one to get a job in pretty much every public service position? Seriously, I am asking?

No. usually a passport will do. Passports require your birth cert.. This is why the argument is stupid. He was a senator and therefore had to go through a bunch of background checks to get there..

But.. I guess the possibility that some vast consipracy has taken over the country to screw over "real america" is better news than... "The black man scares me"

MrJoshua wrote: Iggy, you are quickly convincing the few of us who still believe you might be a half way decent guy off of the board that we are wrong.

+1,000,000

MrJoshua wrote: (Although that may present some problems with the "War on Drugs!)

He didn't inhale, either.

huge-O-chavez wrote:

aussiesmg wrote: And yet, still no birth certificate...

Ohh boy.. You sound like me whining way back when about how gore got robbed of an election.. Grow up.. or admit you're a racist.

You can be so predicable, you post up an article that avoids the obvious answer,"Produce the real certificate". Then because I am not distracted you start name calling. How can my words be construed to have anything to do with race. Only a racist resorts to racial cries when faced with a problem they can't effectively argue.

I would vote for this man

http://hermancain.com/

In reply to carguy123:

he even wrote this in his first book:

"I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school."

though i would love to see him go, i suspect he was born here. i also suspect the reason he doesnt simply end this whole thing is that his parents may have put 'muslim' as his religion on the official long form (as his father was a muslim) and his team feels that would have a negative impact on public opinion despite the fact that babies dont choose their own religion at birth...

besides he's not a muslim, he's a black-liberation theologist.