A very bad deal. The first thing I thought was, Gosh I'd hate to be a brown person in Boston today.
Second, and its rude and evil, and I should probably just keep it to myself, was, I wonder if the people in Boston who used to donate money to the IRA are shocked by this?
David S. Wallens wrote:tb wrote: I currently live on the route of a big race coming up next month. Do I start begging my friends to skip it this year? Can I watch from the street like usual and wave a flag in proud protest against this horrific act or do I hide inside my condo like a frightened turtle? The chilling effect of something like this is a frustrating conundrum...No, you don't become a hermit. If you do, then "they" have won. Who are they? Idiots. Cowards. People with severe penis envy. Losers who didn't get enough love from Mom. You can be vigilant, though, and keep your eyes open. How does that MTA poster go? If you see something, say something. Quick story: When the anthrax attacks broke, my first thought was, Well, a certain metal band is going to feel the heat for this. But they didn't. anthrax.com, the band's site, quickly became a clearing house for info: links to CDC, USPS, FBI, etc. If you had a question or concern about the anthrax attacks, the band's site was a good place to start. At the bottom of the page, there was a call to action: If you have a name/link to add to this list, contact us. Being curious, I clicked the link. Would that e-mail go to Scott Ian or one of the guys in the band? It went to iwillnotbeterrorized@anthrax.com. I have no idea if that address is still good (doubt it), but it shows the right attitude.
Of course you are right; I Know that. I see those signs all the time and actually would follow that advice if it ever became an issue.
I am not afraid to admit, though, that I am very weary of all of this bullE36 M3. I do remember a time when I wasn't so automatically vigilant 24/7. The inevitable aftermath of this (partisan bickering and knee-jerk jingoistic sabre rattling) already threatens to surpass the impact of the actual horror of the event.
On a side note, we really do not share the same musical tastes but I have know for a long time that Anthrax is totally awesome!
If that second one was black powder, it was a lot of it. There are some youtube videos of 3 lb pipe bombs making explosions that aren't a quarter the size of that one.
Fletch1 wrote: Very sad. Don't be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Thank you.
kazoospec wrote: If that second one was black powder, it was a lot of it. There are some youtube videos of 3 lb pipe bombs making explosions that aren't a quarter the size of that one.
I think it was black powder personally. It sure as heck looks like it.
David S. Wallens wrote:tb wrote: I currently live on the route of a big race coming up next month. Do I start begging my friends to skip it this year? Can I watch from the street like usual and wave a flag in proud protest against this horrific act or do I hide inside my condo like a frightened turtle? The chilling effect of something like this is a frustrating conundrum...No, you don't become a hermit. If you do, then "they" have won. Who are they? Idiots. Cowards. People with severe penis envy. Losers who didn't get enough love from Mom. You can be vigilant, though, and keep your eyes open. How does that MTA poster go? If you see something, say something.
That's the best thing to do, Just do what you'd normally do but be aware of things that don't look right. You live there so you will have a good idea what's odd or out of place.
Racer1ab wrote:kreb wrote: I'm grateful that my favorite forum shows a prudent restraint. So many other sites are becoming seething cauldrons of hate and recrimination.Plus about a jillion. I work in a warehouse, and the common phrase among the workers here seems to be some form of, "we oughta nuke 'em and make that place a parking lot" Its good to know there are still intelligent and rational people out there.
one of the guys I work with, is calling for making the desert over there glass... If I didn;t already consider him a babbling idiot, I would now
Streetwiseguy wrote: Second, and its rude and evil, and I should probably just keep it to myself, was, I wonder if the people in Boston who used to donate money to the IRA are shocked by this?
Next time you think you should keep something to yourself you should keep it to yourself.
I don't want to stick my head in the sand, but lately the news makes me feel like crying.
Dwelling on things like this is never good, clean up the mess, hunt down those responsible, carry on with life. Anything else is just giving those responsible power.
Fletch1 wrote: Very sad. Don't be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Yes
DaveEstey wrote: One of the biggest things to come out of today was the people who finished the race and continued running to the hospital to give blood, the police who fought through the crowds streaming away from the scene to respond and the quick actions of all the doctors and nurses already on the scene. That is what America is. We are not cowards. We will persevere. You will not win.
Also yes.
One of the best quotes I have seen on this tragedy;
Patton Oswalt wrote: I remember, when 9/11 went down, my reaction was, "Well, I've had it with humanity." But I was wrong. I don't know what's going to be revealed to be behind all of this mayhem. One human insect or a poisonous mass of broken sociopaths. But here's what I DO know. If it's one person or a HUNDRED people, that number is not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population on this planet. You watch the videos of the carnage and there are people running TOWARDS the destruction to help out. (Thanks FAKE Gallery founder and owner Paul Kozlowski for pointing this out to me). This is a giant planet and we're lucky to live on it but there are prices and penalties incurred for the daily miracle of existence. One of them is, every once in awhile, the wiring of a tiny sliver of the species gets snarled and they're pointed towards darkness. But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evil doers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We'd have eaten ourselves alive long ago. So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think, "The good outnumber you, and we always will."
https://plus.google.com/u/0/116665417191671711571/posts/Uhi4tXq7sFh
author David Brin said: It is mid-April. Perforce, whatever terrorist acts we see this time of year are not presumed to be perpetrated by overseas religious fanatics. Oh, sure, our agents and satellites are scurrying about, sniffing in those directions for clues and signs, as well some of them should. Still, I'll wager that the core of investigative attention is being paid to our home-grown monsters. Angry men whose fixations, hallucinations, grievances and heroes revolve around this week. Tax Day. Waco and Timothy McVeigh's murderous bombing in Oklahoma City. Hitler's Birthday. Columbine, the Virginia Tech Massacre. And warped interpretation of the Patriots' Day anniversary of Lexington and Concord. If you have a crazy uncle or former roommate who mutters horrid fantasies, keep a special eye open during early April, from now on. In this coming era, our paid protectors will not suffice. As I portray in EXISTENCE, we will all be (in the far truer spirit of 1776) citizen soldiers, using our cell-phone cameras and networks and noses and instincts to help protect America and civilization from lunatics. Whether it is North Koreans smuggling in a dirty bomb or your cousin waging war against his own nation, we will be the front line. Get used to it.
Patton Oswalt wrote: I remember, when 9/11 went down, my reaction was, "Well, I've had it with humanity." But I was wrong. I don't know what's going to be revealed to be behind all of this mayhem. One human insect or a poisonous mass of broken sociopaths. But here's what I DO know. If it's one person or a HUNDRED people, that number is not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population on this planet. You watch the videos of the carnage and there are people running TOWARDS the destruction to help out. (Thanks FAKE Gallery founder and owner Paul Kozlowski for pointing this out to me). This is a giant planet and we're lucky to live on it but there are prices and penalties incurred for the daily miracle of existence. One of them is, every once in awhile, the wiring of a tiny sliver of the species gets snarled and they're pointed towards darkness. But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evil doers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We'd have eaten ourselves alive long ago. So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think, "The good outnumber you, and we always will."
This. Thank you, Patton.
So, no unexploded devices found? I was sort of encouraged at the prospect of useful evidence. I wonder how something like that gets so widely reported but turns out to be baseless?
Anybody hear about the soldier who finished the marathon with a 50 lb pack?
chuckles wrote: So, no unexploded devices found? I was sort of encouraged at the prospect of useful evidence. I wonder how something like that gets so widely reported but turns out to be baseless?
I heard a rumor of a 3rd and unexploded IED. Maybe that rumor has been snuffed already.
N Sperlo wrote:chuckles wrote: So, no unexploded devices found? I was sort of encouraged at the prospect of useful evidence. I wonder how something like that gets so widely reported but turns out to be baseless?I heard a rumor of a 3rd and unexploded IED. Maybe that rumor has been snuffed already.
The AM paper said two unexploded devices from an unnamed source of offical capacity. So... 0 to 2 possible.
I have to vent a little...
Nearly 24 hours later, I'm not sure what to make of all that's happened. I'm still in shock. Like many people that live around here, we consider ourselves Bostonians and are very proud of our city. Even in the wake of this terrible event, I am proud to say that so many people at the scene went right into harm's way to help in any way that they could.
Growing up around the Boston area, people everyday can be what we call MA-Holes (to put it lightly), and seeing so many of these people put that aside to help their fellow man makes me feel good. Honestly, I have no clue what I would do in a situation like that.
At work, everyone here either knows someone who was running the marathon, or was volunteering, or was just in town for the day. Security here is the highest I've seen, and we are outside the city. Patriot's Day here is a great day in the year where people gather in town to go watch the Sox, watch the marathon, or go party and have a great time. It's the day that really kicks off all the fun outdoor spring activities that make Boston great. Right now, I'm listening to a co-worker tell her story of her experience near the explosions. Another co-worker's neighbor was the little boy that was killed. Both of my bosses had either family or friends involved in the marathon. Neither are here in the office today, and I hope that their families and friends are ok.
For me, seeing violence and senseless acts on the news is one thing. On TV, it's distant. Hearing people that I interact with every day tell what happened at a place that I've probably walked by a bunch of times before is a whole different story. It's real.
Part of me is extremely angry. I, like many others, want to find the low life monsters that did this and see them suffer in the very worst way possible. But that won't bring people back from the dead, and that won't heal the wounds that many have today, both physically and emotionally. And (not to flounder the thread...) hearing the rumors of those Westboro wackos planning to protest at the victim's funerals... bad move. If they do, I highly doubt they will survive the ordeal.
As a Bostonian, I will keep on living my life and stay proud of this city like I always have. Acts of terror are meant to scare people and scar them physically and emotionally. Life needs to go on or they will win. MA$$Hole and I are going to a show in town on Thursday night, and we aren't changing our plans. Many others feel the same way. You just don't mess with Boston.
DaveEstey wrote: Anybody hear about the soldier who finished the marathon with a 50 lb pack?
It looks like there were three of them.
SilverFleet wrote: I have to vent a little... Nearly 24 hours later, I'm not sure what to make of all that's happened. I'm still in shock. Like many people that live around here, we consider ourselves Bostonians and are very proud of our city. Even in the wake of this terrible event, I am proud to say that so many people at the scene went right into harm's way to help in any way that they could. Growing up around the Boston area, people everyday can be what we call MA-Holes (to put it lightly), and seeing so many of these people put that aside to help their fellow man makes me feel good. Honestly, I have no clue what I would do in a situation like that. At work, everyone here either knows someone who was running the marathon, or was volunteering, or was just in town for the day. Security here is the highest I've seen, and we are outside the city. Patriot's Day here is a great day in the year where people gather in town to go watch the Sox, watch the marathon, or go party and have a great time. It's the day that really kicks off all the fun outdoor spring activities that make Boston great. Right now, I'm listening to a co-worker tell her story of her experience near the explosions. Another co-worker's neighbor was the little boy that was killed. Both of my bosses had either family or friends involved in the marathon. Neither are here in the office today, and I hope that their families and friends are ok. For me, seeing violence and senseless acts on the news is one thing. On TV, it's distant. Hearing people that I interact with every day tell what happened at a place that I've probably walked by a bunch of times before is a whole different story. It's real. Part of me is extremely angry. I, like many others, want to find the low life monsters that did this and see them suffer in the very worst way possible. But that won't bring people back from the dead, and that won't heal the wounds that many have today, both physically and emotionally. And (not to flounder the thread...) hearing the rumors of those Westboro wackos planning to protest at the victim's funerals... bad move. If they do, I highly doubt they will survive the ordeal. As a Bostonian, I will keep on living my life and stay proud of this city like I always have. Acts of terror are meant to scare people and scar them physically and emotionally. Life needs to go on or they will win. MA$$Hole and I are going to a show in town on Thursday night, and we aren't changing our plans. Many others feel the same way. You just don't mess with Boston.
Great post. Thanks for sharing!
Wouldn't it be great (I realize this will never happen) if when they start figuring out who did this, they would NOT mention the name or names of those people.
This would be almost equally good if the non-named people where or where not responsible. Sometimes I really want to scream a big FU to the news when the popularize these a-holes (or crucify someone they make assumptions about), it can be maddening.
I would much rather they publish the names of the soldiers mentioned above. 50lbs, wow! If they did more then walk the course, it is hard to comprehend the level of conditioning.
aircooled wrote: Wouldn't it be great (I realize this will never happen) if when they start figuring out who did this, they would NOT mention the name or names of those people. This would be almost equally good if the non-named people where or where not responsible. Sometimes I really want to scream a big FU to the news when the popularize these a-holes (or crucify someone they make assumptions about), it can be maddening.
In some cases, thats what the people want. To be remembered. The difference seems to be good or evil, and that line doesn't matter to some anymore.
aircooled wrote: I would much rather they publish the names of the soldiers mentioned above. 50lbs, wow! If they did more then walk the course, it is hard to comprehend the level of conditioning.
That seems crazy, right? I hike with a 30lb pack and I could not imagine the effort of 26.2 with even more weight. I read a story in SI a while ago about a guy who started out marathoning by pushing his disabled son in a wheelchair and progressed to run some Ironman Triathalons carrying his disabled son ON HIS BACK.
Sorry for the thradjack but... damn there are some people in this world who amaze me.
EDIT: Removed rage based fantasy of how to deal with perpetrator(s)
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:aircooled wrote: I would much rather they publish the names of the soldiers mentioned above. 50lbs, wow! If they did more then walk the course, it is hard to comprehend the level of conditioning.That seems crazy, right? I hike with a 30lb pack and I could not imagine the effort of 26.2 with even more weight. I read a story in SI a while ago about a guy who started out marathoning by pushing his disabled son in a wheelchair and progressed to run some Ironman Triathalons carrying his disabled son ON HIS BACK. Sorry for the thradjack but... damn there are some people in this world who amaze me. EDIT: Removed rage based fantasy of how to deal with perpetrator(s)
That is Dick and Rick Hoyt. I heard the dad speak once at a local event here. Absolutely incredible. And they were in the marathon yesterday: http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/team_hoyt_-_rick_and_dick_hoyt.html
"Anyone wanting to get out of the back bay come over plenty of tables and calm here and don't worry you don't have to buy a thing," tweeted a local restaurant called El Pelon Taqueria. "open wifi, place to charge cell, or just don't want to be alone, food and drinks,- pay only if you can #bostonhelp."
Still good people out there.
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