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John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/31/08 3:49 p.m.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/31/canada.bus/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

(CNN) -- As horrified travelers watched, a Greyhound Canada bus passenger repeatedly stabbed and then decapitated a young man who was sitting and sleeping beside him, a witness said Thursday.

"There was a bloodcurdling scream. I was just reading my book, and all of a sudden, I heard it," Garnet Caton, who was sitting in front of the two men, said of the Wednesday night incident west of Portage la Prairie in Manitoba.

"It was like something between a dog howling and a baby crying, I guess you could say," Caton said. "I don't think it will leave me for a while."

Passengers exited the bus, and a trucker who stopped provided wrenches and crowbars to several of them so they could keep the suspect on the bus until police came, witnesses told Canadian TV.

The suspect was seized with the help of negotiators, Royal Canadian Mounted Police Sgt. Steve Colwell said.

He said no formal charges had been filed, and he declined to identify either the man in custody or the victim, who were among 34 passengers.

The was no immediate indication of what prompted the attack, Colwell said. He said he didn't know how many times the victim was stabbed. Witnesses described the weapon as a large butcher-type knife.

Caton told The Associated Press that the victim appeared to be about 19 years old and had gotten on the bus in Edmonton.

Colwell praised the "extraordinary" level-headedness and bravery of the bus driver and passengers.

"What you saw and what you experienced would shake the most seasoned police officer. And yet I'm told that each of you acted swiftly, calmly and bravely," Colwell said. "As a result, no one else was injured."

The police received a call reporting the attack at 8:30 p.m. By the time they arrived at the scene, everyone except the knife-wielder and his victim had left the bus, Colwell said. The incident ended about 1:30 a.m.

The bus was traveling along the Trans-Canada Highway from Edmonton, Alberta, to Winnipeg, Manitoba, and was about 45 minutes from its destination when the attack occurred, Greyhound spokeswoman Abby Wambaugh said in Dallas, Texas.

Caton said the victim was sleeping with his head leaning against the window when the attack happened. Caton said he shouted at the other passengers, many of whom also were sleeping, to leave. Watch Caton describe what he saw »

"Everybody got off the bus. Me and a trucker that stopped and the Greyhound driver ran up to the door to maybe see if the guy was still alive or we could help or something like that," Caton said.

"And when we all got up, we saw that the guy was cutting off the guy's head. ... When he saw us, he came back to the front of the bus, told the driver to shut the door. He pressed the button and the door shut, but it didn't shut in time, and the guy was able to get his knife out and take a swipe at us," Caton said.

Caton told the AP that the attacker didn't sit near the victim when he first got on the bus, about an hour before the attack.

"He sat in the front at first; everything was normal," Caton said. "We went to the next stop, and he got off and had a smoke with another young lady there. When he got on the bus again, he came to the back near where I was sitting. He put his bags in the overhead compartment. He didn't say a word to anybody. He seemed totally normal."

Half an hour later, the attack began, Caton told the AP. "There was no rage or anything. He was like a robot, stabbing the guy."

The incident occurred on the first of two Greyhound Canada buses that were traveling together, Wambaugh said. The bus was carrying 37 passengers. As many passengers as possible among those not directly involved in the incident were transferred to the second bus, she said.

Others were taken to a hotel in Brandon, where they were met by Greyhound managers and police, Wambaugh said.

Once they are released, Greyhound will take them by bus to Winnipeg, and "we will do whatever is required to help them, and that includes counseling," she added.

Wambaugh declined to comment further.

"I don't want to compromise the investigation," she said.

neon4891
neon4891 Dork
7/31/08 4:08 p.m.

E36 M3

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
7/31/08 4:37 p.m.

Wow. I guess living in the snow and darkness half the year will really bring out the crazy in people.

Hocrest
Hocrest New Reader
7/31/08 4:38 p.m.

Maybe he was snoring?

neon4891
neon4891 Dork
7/31/08 4:39 p.m.

^like how some of the nordic countries have the highest suicide rates

Ryan9118
Ryan9118 HalfDork
7/31/08 9:48 p.m.

I'm surprised nobody tried to stop the guy? That's crazy though, especially that he cut his head off.

Wall-e
Wall-e GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/1/08 8:37 a.m.

I can't imagine the paperwork you have to fill out after a beheading.

confuZion3
confuZion3 HalfDork
8/1/08 8:41 a.m.

That is so weird.

suprf1y
suprf1y New Reader
8/1/08 8:42 a.m.
Wall-e wrote: I can't imagine the paperwork you have to fill out after a beheading.

Best post evar!

stuart in mn
stuart in mn Dork
8/1/08 9:23 a.m.
Ryan9118 wrote: I'm surprised nobody tried to stop the guy? That's crazy though, especially that he cut his head off.

From the article: "Witnesses described the weapon as a large butcher-type knife." I'd think it would be pretty dangerous for an untrained person to try to stop a crazy guy with a large butcher knife in a confined area like the inside of a bus.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
8/1/08 9:55 a.m.

Wrap jacket around left forearm. Attack.

Why haven't they released the murder's name?

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
8/1/08 10:39 a.m.
Dr. Hess wrote: Wrap jacket around left forearm. Attack. Why haven't they released the murder's name?

What's the over-under on whether his name contains the word "Muhamed"?

GlennS
GlennS HalfDork
8/1/08 11:06 a.m.
Dr. Hess wrote: Wrap jacket around left forearm. Attack. Why haven't they released the murder's name?

sounds like an efficent way to get yourself killed.

edit: most bullet proof vests wont stop a knife. What makes you think your jacket is going to do jack E36 M3 in protecting your forearm.

I once watched a video on the truth about knife defence techniques. It basicly concluded that for the most part its all complete BS that doesnt really work and if you ever tried to use it instead of run you were a lot more likely to die.

captainzib
captainzib New Reader
8/1/08 11:10 a.m.
DILYSI Dave wrote:
Dr. Hess wrote: Wrap jacket around left forearm. Attack. Why haven't they released the murder's name?
What's the over-under on whether his name contains the word "Muhamed"?

Vince Weiguang Li

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/08/01/canada.beheading/index.html

Racist much?

I'm not gonna pretend that there isn't a fair share of crazy Arab/Muslim extremists out there hellbent on ruining the reputations of their fellow people, but it's not right to assume that every batE36 M3 insane person out there is Arab and/or Muslim.

Besides, the bus didn't blow up

stuart in mn
stuart in mn Dork
8/1/08 11:22 a.m.
GlennS wrote:
Dr. Hess wrote: Wrap jacket around left forearm. Attack. Why haven't they released the murder's name?
sounds like an efficent way to get yourself killed. edit: most bullet proof vests wont stop a knife. What makes you think your jacket is going to do jack E36 M3 in protecting your forearm. I once watched a video on the truth about knife defence techniques. It basicly concluded that for the most part its all complete BS that doesnt really work and if you ever tried to use it instead of run you were a lot more likely to die.

Yup. From what I know from reading and from talking to people who are trained in fighting with knives, unless you're some sort of ninja master you don't want to be anywhere near a person with a knife.

Salanis
Salanis Dork
8/1/08 11:26 a.m.
GlennS wrote:
Dr. Hess wrote: Wrap jacket around left forearm. Attack. Why haven't they released the murder's name?
sounds like an efficent way to get yourself killed. edit: most bullet proof vests wont stop a knife. What makes you think your jacket is going to do jack E36 M3 in protecting your forearm. I once watched a video on the truth about knife defence techniques. It basicly concluded that for the most part its all complete BS that doesnt really work and if you ever tried to use it instead of run you were a lot more likely to die.

When studying martial arts, we spent a lot more time practicing knife defense. The reason was simple, at <15', a knife is far more dangerous than a gun. A gun only has one line that it can hurt you on, it is also much easier to disarm. If you can strip a knife from someone, you can disarm them of a gun.

Leather would probably do more to stop a knife than kevlar would. Kevlar is surprisingly easy to cut, but it does a really good job of spreading out impact.

That said, a jacket isn't going to do that much, and you're best just deflecting the knife with the back of your forearm. You'll get slashed up, but there aren't major arteries that can cause you to bleed out. Similarly, you might have tendons sliced that will prevent you from fully opening your hand, but you'll still be able to grip.

There is no form of combat worse than a knife fight.

GlennS
GlennS HalfDork
8/1/08 11:47 a.m.

You will quickly however go into shock after having a huge hole cut in your forarm. A butchers knife might even partialy or fully sever your arm.

Salanis
Salanis Dork
8/1/08 11:49 a.m.

Yes. Which is why I should have been more explicit in saying that this is not "how to get into a knife fight" but what to do if you find yourself in a knife fight and want to not-die.

Gearhead_42
Gearhead_42 HalfDork
8/1/08 12:27 p.m.

Well played captainzib

aircooled
aircooled Dork
8/1/08 12:38 p.m.
Colwell praised the "extraordinary" level-headedness and bravery of the bus driver and passengers.

Not entirely sure I would call their actions "brave". Not wanting to get stabbed and getting out of the way? Not brave, just smart. Waiting for the guy outside with tire irons and such, maybe a bit.

Bravery would have been hitting the guy over the head with a heavy object.

Just saying, "bravery" is tossed around way to easily these days... I would have to say I agree with Bill Mahr (but on not very much else): launching a missile from a plane is not brave, walking into a crowded area with a bomb strapped to you is definitely bravado (it's asinine, but certainly brave).

I just think it lessens the accomplishments of those who where legitimately brave to toss the word around so easily. Hero is also WAY overused.

If you want to know what a REAL "brave" hero looks like, take a read of this:

http://www.medalofhonor.com/MedalOfHonorAudieLMurphy.htm

Wall-e
Wall-e GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/2/08 2:07 a.m.

It may not be the brave thing to do, but we were trained to lead people away to safety, not fight of the knife wheilding psycho. And if anyone was wondering, I checked my bag on the train this moringing and found 56 pages of forms that would pertain to a beheading. I'm sure someone from Safety would show up with more I don't carry from the fatal incident department.

poopshovel
poopshovel Dork
8/2/08 9:59 a.m.
the article said:As horrified travelers watched

Man, I sure am glad nobody had a gun.

poopshovel
poopshovel Dork
8/2/08 10:04 a.m.
DILYSI Dave wrote:
Dr. Hess wrote: Wrap jacket around left forearm. Attack. Why haven't they released the murder's name?
What's the over-under on whether his name contains the word "Muhamed"?

"Vince Weiguang Li" Oooooh so sorry Dave! We were looking for "Chinaman." Yes, "Chinaman." But we've enjoyed having you here on Prejudiced Jeopardy, and hope you'll enjoy this 20-piece Ginsu knife set as a consolation prize. Good luck to you, and remember, if it ain't white, it ain't right.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/3/08 1:32 p.m.

And it just keeps getting weirder: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/02/canada.bus.stabbing.ap/index.html

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/4/08 9:21 a.m.

Leaked tape:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt1kDii1Unw

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