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Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
10/23/08 1:49 p.m.
Strizzo wrote:
Snowdoggie wrote:
Jensenman wrote: Hmmm. Just shows me that Obama people are actally typical Democrat sheeple and are easily led into stupidity.
...and the McCain supporters who threatened to kill the Ohio Secretary of State and the ones who dumped the dead bear covered with Obama signs on the college campus were all Rhodes Scholars.
and whoever keeps stealing mcain/palin signs and shot up the republican HQ manager's house link

Wow. So far the worst we've had down here was some bumper stickers on both sides yanked off and one car with Iraq Vet and McCain stickers who had a really nasty note stuck under a wiper blade calling him a babykiller. No shooting, at least not yet.

Snowdoggie
Snowdoggie New Reader
10/23/08 1:55 p.m.
Strizzo wrote:
Snowdoggie wrote:
Jensenman wrote: Hmmm. Just shows me that Obama people are actally typical Democrat sheeple and are easily led into stupidity.
...and the McCain supporters who threatened to kill the Ohio Secretary of State and the ones who dumped the dead bear covered with Obama signs on the college campus were all Rhodes Scholars.
and whoever keeps stealing mcain/palin signs and shot up the republican HQ manager's house link

..and I though all Democrats were in favor of gun control.

There is one guy here in Dallas who was getting so tired of getting the McCain/Palin signs stolen from the front of his house that he set up a remote video camera pointed towards the sign. I would love to see somebody wearing an Obama mask swipe that sign. That video would be a hit on you tube.

Another guy was covering his signs in Vaseline to keep them from getting stolen.

poopshovel
poopshovel Dork
10/23/08 1:57 p.m.

Eh. I'm sure you can find plenty of instances of vandalism on either side. Democrat, Republican, or otherwise, little bitches are little bitches.

poopshovel
poopshovel Dork
10/23/08 1:59 p.m.
I would love to see somebody wearing an Obama mask getting shot in the knee while trying to swipe that sign. That video would be a hit on you tube.

fixed. Oh, did I forget the emoticon?

Snowdoggie
Snowdoggie New Reader
10/23/08 2:05 p.m.
Jensenman wrote:
Strizzo wrote:
Snowdoggie wrote:
Jensenman wrote: Hmmm. Just shows me that Obama people are actally typical Democrat sheeple and are easily led into stupidity.
...and the McCain supporters who threatened to kill the Ohio Secretary of State and the ones who dumped the dead bear covered with Obama signs on the college campus were all Rhodes Scholars.
and whoever keeps stealing mcain/palin signs and shot up the republican HQ manager's house link
Wow. So far the worst we've had down here was some bumper stickers on both sides yanked off and one car with Iraq Vet and McCain stickers who had a really nasty note stuck under a wiper blade calling him a babykiller. No shooting, at least not yet.

There was a soldier here in Dallas who had his Jeep Wrangler vandalized to the tune of about $7,000 with baby killer written on the doors and hood. The sad thing was that the guy was actually a medic in the reserves. Some of this stuff really is getting out of hand.

Salanis
Salanis SuperDork
10/23/08 2:05 p.m.

When my grandfather was running for some office (congress? mayor?), my dad was in highschool at the time. He and a friend took a truck and would drive around looking for houses with signs supporting my grandfather's opponent.

My dad would go up to the door and inform them, "The sign you have in your front yard is displayed in violation of city civil code N7-335D. I must inform you that, under this city code, I must remove the sign. Have a good day." Which of course was a bunch of BS, but people bought it.

When he came back to show my grandfather what a great job he'd done, my grandfather of course became furious and made him return all the signs and apologize to the people he'd duped.

Snowdoggie
Snowdoggie New Reader
10/23/08 2:26 p.m.
poopshovel wrote:
I would love to see somebody wearing an Obama mask getting shot in the knee while trying to swipe that sign. That video would be a hit on you tube.
fixed. Oh, did I forget the emoticon?

Anybody who shoots somebody else over a political sign for any political candidate or party deserves to go to prison for attempted murder, and probably will.

No emoticon.

alfadriver
alfadriver Reader
10/23/08 2:50 p.m.
Salanis wrote:
GameboyRMH wrote: Hmm blingos, that's a good word, LOL
Hehehe... "Blingo" It makes me think of a bunch of geriatrics wearing baggy pants and flat brim caps on sideways in a big hall with their walkers next to them, while someone calls out: "L - 17" "BLINGO!"

Jensen- you'd better copywright that name. New alternate to Chrome, as seen on GRM- the new BLINGO wheels! Sorry, your pressure sensors wont fit, but it'll sure look snazzy!

;)

E-

poopshovel
poopshovel Dork
10/23/08 3:25 p.m.
Snowdoggie wrote:
poopshovel wrote:
I would love to see somebody wearing an Obama mask getting shot in the knee while trying to swipe that sign. That video would be a hit on you tube.
fixed. Oh, did I forget the emoticon?
Anybody who shoots somebody else over a political sign for any political candidate or party deserves to go to prison for attempted murder, and probably will. No emoticon.

And anybody who steals E36 M3 out of your yard should be prosecuted for "theft by taking." And if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle. What's "funny" isn't always legal, and pranks that "backfire" are funny as hell. If they weren't, old dumbass Bob Saget wouldn't be a millionaire.

carguy123
carguy123 HalfDork
10/23/08 3:31 p.m.
Snowdoggie wrote: I'm still waiting for McCain to say "Read My Lips, No New Taxes". We all remember how well THAT worked the last time.

There's no reason for McCain to say that. Have you seen the Obama ads? They say in big bold letters NO NEW TAXES!

Snowdoggie
Snowdoggie New Reader
10/23/08 3:36 p.m.
carguy123 wrote:
Snowdoggie wrote: I'm still waiting for McCain to say "Read My Lips, No New Taxes". We all remember how well THAT worked the last time.
There's no reason for McCain to say that. Have you seen the Obama ads? They say in big bold letters NO NEW TAXES!

I don't believe either side on this issue. Have you seen the size of the deficit?

Snowdoggie
Snowdoggie New Reader
10/23/08 3:55 p.m.
poopshovel wrote:
Snowdoggie wrote:
poopshovel wrote:
I would love to see somebody wearing an Obama mask getting shot in the knee while trying to swipe that sign. That video would be a hit on you tube.
fixed. Oh, did I forget the emoticon?
Anybody who shoots somebody else over a political sign for any political candidate or party deserves to go to prison for attempted murder, and probably will. No emoticon.
And anybody who steals E36 M3 out of your yard should be prosecuted for "theft by taking." And if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle. What's "funny" isn't always legal, and pranks that "backfire" are funny as hell. If they weren't, old dumbass Bob Saget wouldn't be a millionaire.

I still think I guy in an Obama mask stealing a McCain sign would be funny, but some people would probably think it was racist, or at least politically incorrect.

How about somebody in a Palin mask stealing an Obama sign, or somebody in a moose suit tearing the word Palin off of a McCain/Palin sign.

JmfnB
JmfnB GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/23/08 4:01 p.m.

Or a moose goring all four... you know because of global warming!

Salanis
Salanis SuperDork
10/23/08 4:01 p.m.
Snowdoggie wrote: I still think I guy in an Obama mask stealing a McCain sign would be funny, but some people would probably think it was racist, or at least politically incorrect. How about somebody in a Palin mask stealing an Obama sign, or somebody in a moose suit tearing the word Palin off of a McCain/Palin sign.

How about a Guerrilla paintball battle between a couple of people in Obama and Biden masks on one side, and McCain and Palin masks on the other. They would all have to wear suits and correctly colored ties. The Dems would load their hoppers with blue balls and the Reps with red balls (if you can find any).

Then run around a park or something like that shooting each other.

Catch the action on film.

Snowdoggie
Snowdoggie New Reader
10/23/08 4:06 p.m.
JmfnB wrote: Or a moose goring all four... you know because of global warming!

There has got to be a joke about Sarah Palin, Tom Green and a dead moose here somewhere, but I'm not getting it. It probably wouldn't be clean or politically correct.

Chris_V
Chris_V SuperDork
10/23/08 5:05 p.m.
Snowdoggie wrote: Obama isn't any kind of messiah, but McCain's economic advisor was Phil Graham, the guy who wrote the regulations that created the Enron fiasco and supported legislation to allow investment banks to get into the mortgage business. He is the greater evil.

And Obama's fincial advisor, Penny Pritzker, is the person who started up the subprime mortgage fiasco, and Obama took in money from Fannie Mae to say that everything was all right right up to the point that it wasn't, while McCain and Bush tried to get regulation in place to make sure it woudn't happen after Clinton's policies created the "low income housing market" and created regulations to force banks loaned to bad risks.

We can play the who berkeleyed the economy worse game all day long, but the fact is, Obama, as Senator, gained much more from helping create the finacial mess the country is in now.

Chris_V
Chris_V SuperDork
10/23/08 5:09 p.m.

For more reading on this financial situation, leave it to a Democrat reporter, Orson Scott Card:

Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights? By Orson Scott Card

http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html

Editor's note: Orson Scott Card is a Democrat and a newspaper columnist, and in this opinion piece he takes on both while lamenting the current state of journalism.

An open letter to the local daily paper — almost every local daily paper in America:

I remember reading All the President's Men and thinking: That's journalism. You do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before the public, because the public has a right to know.

This housing crisis didn't come out of nowhere. It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.

It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.

What is a risky loan? It's a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.

The goal of this rule change was to help the poor — which especially would help members of minority groups. But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can't repay? They get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house — along with their credit rating.

They end up worse off than before.

This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it. One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules. The other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.

Furthermore, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. (Though why quasi-federal agencies were allowed to do so baffles me. It's as if the Pentagon were allowed to contribute to the political campaigns of Congressmen who support increasing their budget.)

Isn't there a story here? Doesn't journalism require that you who produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700 billion bailout? Aren't you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefiting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?

I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a vast scandal. "Housing-gate," no doubt. Or "Fannie-gate."

Instead, it was Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.

As Thomas Sowell points out in a TownHall.com essay entitled "Do Facts Matter?" ( http://snipurl.com/457townhall_com] ): "Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury."

These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.

Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie. Instead, you criticized Republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!

What? It's not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?

Now let's follow the money ... right to the presidential candidate who is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.

And after Freddie Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing.

If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, you would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.

But instead, that candidate was Barack Obama, and so you have buried this story, and when the McCain campaign dared to call Raines an "adviser" to the Obama campaign — because that campaign had sought his advice — you actually let Obama's people get away with accusing McCain of lying, merely because Raines wasn't listed as an official adviser to the Obama campaign.

You would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a Republican.

If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including Obama.

If you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you would find it unbearable to let the American people believe that somehow Republicans were to blame for this crisis.

There are precedents. Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension — so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link. (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)

If you had any principles, then surely right now, when the American people are set to blame President Bush and John McCain for a crisis they tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of Barack Obama because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as hard to correct that false impression.

Your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth. That's what you claim you do, when you accept people's money to buy or subscribe to your paper.

But right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie — that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain, and the Republicans. You have trained the American people to blame everything bad — even bad weather — on Bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.

If you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth — even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate.

Because that's what honorable people do. Honest people tell the truth even when they don't like the probable consequences. That's what honesty means . That's how trust is earned.

Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time — and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.

Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter — while you ignored the story of John Edwards's own adultery for many months.

So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all? Do you even know what honesty means?

Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?

You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. Who listens to NOW anymore? We know they stand for nothing; they have no principles.

That's where you are right now.

It's not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.

If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.

Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.

You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a Senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis. You will tell the truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.

This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.

If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe — and vote as if — President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.

If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats — including Barack Obama — and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans — then you are not journalists by any standard.

You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.

AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/23/08 5:18 p.m.
Snowdoggie wrote:
poopshovel wrote:
I would love to see somebody wearing an Obama mask getting shot in the knee while trying to swipe that sign. That video would be a hit on you tube.
fixed. Oh, did I forget the emoticon?
Anybody who shoots somebody else over a political sign for any political candidate or party deserves to go to prison for attempted murder, and probably will. No emoticon.

poop specifically said "shot in the knee". that's not attempted murder. knees don't bleed much, and they don't have any vital organs in them.

Salanis
Salanis SuperDork
10/23/08 5:28 p.m.
AngryCorvair wrote: poop specifically said "shot in the knee". that's not attempted murder. knees don't bleed much, and they don't have any vital organs in them.

First rule of gun safety: "Do not point your firearm at anything you are not prepared to destroy."

I do not buy that you pointed a gun at their knee. You pointed a gun at them.

If you use a gun, you are using lethal force. Using lethal force on someone's knee doesn't change the fact that you're using lethal force.

Maybe I'm taking this too seriously, but it seems like this line of debate has turned away from joking.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 HalfDork
10/23/08 5:30 p.m.

I didn't mean for this to get into a huge political argument. I just think it's funny that these people are sheeping. I believe Honda knows what they are saying when it comes to the correct tire pressure for their vehicles....more-so than a political a$$clown

billy3esq
billy3esq Dork
10/23/08 5:44 p.m.
Jensenman wrote: ... if the tire blew he'd have billy3esq on my azz instantly if not sooner.

Hey, I was just lurking here minding my own business. Leave me out of it.

Besides, it would more likely be one of my illustrious colleagues that would be all over you. I haven't sued anybody since May.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
10/23/08 6:02 p.m.
billy3esq wrote:
Jensenman wrote: ... if the tire blew he'd have billy3esq on my azz instantly if not sooner.
Hey, I was just lurking here minding my own business. Leave me out of it. Besides, it would more likely be one of my illustrious colleagues that would be all over you. I haven't sued anybody since May.

this sounds like a job for

jim "the hammer" shapiro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5hn8bhEpMY

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
10/23/08 6:06 p.m.
AngryCorvair wrote:
Snowdoggie wrote:
poopshovel wrote:
I would love to see somebody wearing an Obama mask getting shot in the knee while trying to swipe that sign. That video would be a hit on you tube.
fixed. Oh, did I forget the emoticon?
Anybody who shoots somebody else over a political sign for any political candidate or party deserves to go to prison for attempted murder, and probably will. No emoticon.
poop specifically said "shot in the knee". that's not attempted murder. knees don't bleed much, and they don't have any vital organs in them.

I think it's more of a question as to the whether it was premeditated or has the intent to kill. If it was proved that he did not intend to kill him.. it would be assault with a deadly weapon most likely..

For example. If he picked up the gun said.. I'm going to kill you and then shot(but hit in knee) it would be attempted murder.

I'm not a lawyer, just took a few basic law classes...

Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/23/08 6:13 p.m.
DirtyBird222 wrote: I didn't mean for this to get into a huge political argument. I just think it's funny that these people are sheeping. I believe Honda knows what they are saying when it comes to the correct tire pressure for their vehicles....more-so than a political a$$clown

I wouldn't say that Toyota always gets it right though. The recommended tire pressure on my Tundra (the original, not-enormous version) is way too low. Run at their suggested tire pressure, and you'll wear the outer edges off your tires in about 15,000 miles. I'm running a whole lot more in my truck and it's very happy with perfect tire wear.

Salanis
Salanis SuperDork
10/23/08 6:20 p.m.
ignorant wrote: I think it's more of a question as to the whether it was premeditated or has the intent to kill. If it was proved that he did not intend to kill him.. it would be assault with a deadly weapon most likely.. For example. If he picked up the gun said.. I'm going to kill you and then shot(but hit in knee) it would be attempted murder. I'm not a lawyer, just took a few basic law classes...

Unless I'm mistaken, assault is just threatening someone. So if you had a gun and pointed it at someone, that could be assault with a deadly weapon. Linky: http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/assault_battery.html

Using a firearm is using deadly force. You don't get to use deadly force unless you really feel your, or someone else's, safety is threatened.

If you decided to shoot someone in the knee, because you didn't want to kill them, that says that you chose to exercise lethal force against someone who you recognized to not be a threat.

According to my linky above, it might be considered aggravated assault. It sounds like it would depend on the state and lawyer prosecuting the case.

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