In reply to Dave:
Yes... that was posted back on page 3. 
G_Body_Man wrote:Also, he has a couple of cars and apparently works on them himself, when he can. Here he is with the Mercedes he inherited from his dad.
In reply to Dave:
Yes... that was posted back on page 3.
G_Body_Man wrote:
For those of you not familiar with Canadian politics, and some of you who are, this is all you need to know.
The rest is just the same noise that gets repeated every 4-12 years. You can interchange the names.
In reply to Zomby Woof:
Exact same setup here in the lower 48.
Only with the Canadian version, there's the curveball of the NDP and the Bloc. Makes for interesting mixes.
Not really. Neither are legitimate parties. The NDP only exists to rub salt in the wound when the public really wants to bitch slap either of the real parties.
It was especially entertaining this time, seeing them so high in the polls, and listening to everybody talk about them like they stood any kind of a chance.
Zomby Woof wrote: Not really. Neither are legitimate parties. The NDP only exists to rub salt in the wound when the public really wants to bitch slap either of the real parties. It was especially entertaining this time, seeing them so high in the polls, and listening to everybody talk about them like they stood any kind of a chance.
Careful there...I was here when they accidentally got elected in Ontario back in the early 90's. Talk about a Mongolian Cluster Berk.
In theory, the NDP could have been the next government, as like their ads said, if they kept their seats and could convert their last election 2nd place finishes to 1sts, it would have meant a majority government. I think since they've never done any better than the previous election's official opposition status, which was historic, not enough people thought they could really do it, hence the big Liberal strategic vote by people who might normally vote NDP, but more than anything just wanted the Conservatives gone.
The NDP and Bloc can cause interesting results even if they don't win any seats due to vote splitting. The PC and Reform figured that out and stopped fighting each other to some significant advantage in the last decade.
One of the best things about this election in my mind anyway was the BIG increase in voter turnout, from 61% to 68.5%.
RX8driver wrote: The NDP and Bloc can cause interesting results even if they don't win any seats due to vote splitting. The PC and Reform figured that out and stopped fighting each other to some significant advantage in the last decade.
Exactly. The possibilities of minority governments, the questions asked by the smaller parties and the wider range of positions makes for a much different flavor than the binary "you're either with us or against us" US system. There can be more than one position or solution to an issue, and all parties end up taking this into account to some extent.
Go back a few years, the NDP has been involved in some pretty important moments. They're not just a fringe player.
Don't forget the Conservatives were fringe players a few years ago. I think there is still lots of lingering Liberal outrage that the Reform party pushed its way out of its backwoods Western homestead all the way to Ottawa.
bearmtnmartin wrote: Don't forget the Conservatives were fringe players a few years ago. I think there is still lots of lingering Liberal outrage that the Reform party pushed its way out of its backwoods Western homestead all the way to Ottawa.
Only because Mulroney (strangely enough, a corrupt Quebec lawyer) managed to piss off both east and west. It takes a special kind of stupid to manage that.
Streetwiseguy wrote:bearmtnmartin wrote: Don't forget the Conservatives were fringe players a few years ago. I think there is still lots of lingering Liberal outrage that the Reform party pushed its way out of its backwoods Western homestead all the way to Ottawa.Only because Mulroney (strangely enough, a corrupt Quebec lawyer) managed to piss off both east and west. It takes a special kind of stupid to manage that.
Mulroney was, and is, a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. When charged with corruption, he sued the country, cashed a big huge check, and later, when it was proven he did in fact commit the alleged crime, he still keeps the money. Canada is one of the few countries where crime does pay.Even if you get caught.
Chretien walked away with a pocketful of Abscam money muttering (as only he could) "I 'ad no hidea that waz 'appening eh". When in fact he should have been turfed for not knowing it was happening. He would have done well running VW.
Speaking of Mulroney, the likable old scamp...here is what he had to say about Trudeau Sr.:
Go bang the window and see what happens — just go test it. See that? Trudeau had the office bulletproofed. I always contended that the reason he did it was because the American embassy is right outside. They probably wanted to shoot him. Brian Mulroney, as quoted in The Secret Mulroney Tapes : Unguarded Confessions of a Prime Minister (2006) by Peter C. Newman, p. 331
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