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Will
Will SuperDork
12/8/15 6:48 p.m.
wearymicrobe wrote: 747 are in huge demand right now, even more then the bigger planes.

Airliners don't get much bigger than 747s. My understanding is that Boeing has had a hard time moving the few 747s it has on hand.

Wall-e
Wall-e GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/8/15 7:01 p.m.
Will wrote: Airliners don't get much bigger than 747s. My understanding is that Boeing has had a hard time moving the few 747s it has on hand.

They shoulda got one of those big tractor thingys the airports have.

Burrito
Burrito Dork
12/8/15 7:21 p.m.
Wall-e wrote:
Will wrote: Airliners don't get much bigger than 747s. My understanding is that Boeing has had a hard time moving the few 747s it has on hand.
They shoulda got one of those big tractor thingys the airports have.

If you got paid to drive one of those, would that be a tug job?

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro PowerDork
12/8/15 9:34 p.m.
MrJoshua wrote: In reply to WildScotsRacing: Yeah, I read the ebola filled plane Clancy book too.

It's not that...

I did my air regs course with two guys who worked for a (the) major airline here in Canada.

The airline had just purchased a pair of ex-Air India planes and the maintenance nightmares they were finding were horrifying.

Those things might be a huge money pit.

Remember, when you find that you've bought a lemon, pass it off to the next sucker as fast as possible.

Rob_Mopar
Rob_Mopar UltraDork
12/8/15 10:00 p.m.
Trans_Maro wrote: Those things might be a huge money pit. Remember, when you find that you've bought a lemon, pass it off to the next sucker as fast as possible.

Or abandon it on the side of the road/runway.

Don49
Don49 HalfDork
12/9/15 5:37 a.m.

Without the maintenance logs it would be a nightmare to get them re-certified. I am aware of planes that were parted out because of no maintenance log.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UltimaDork
12/9/15 8:18 a.m.

Is it legal to get parts of scrapped planes? I assume the history of any parts must be fully documented so if there are no maintenance logs for the part it can't be used?

WildScotsRacing
WildScotsRacing Reader
12/9/15 8:31 a.m.
Adrian_Thompson wrote: Is it legal to get parts of scrapped planes? I assume the history of any parts must be fully documented so if there are no maintenance logs for the part it can't be used?

It's usually not an issue if a master level A and P, or certified repair station gives the part the specified inspection and gives an FAA legal signoff.

Luke
Luke UberDork
12/9/15 10:45 a.m.

I just got back from Malaysia. Travelling north from Johor to Penang, the amount of abandoned construction projects littering the countryside is crazy. According to locals I spoke to, it's usually a case of running out of money. My guess is the same happened with these planes...maybe the landing and parking fines eventually exceeded their scrap value.

dculberson
dculberson UberDork
12/10/15 11:10 a.m.
GameboyRMH wrote:
dculberson wrote:
GameboyRMH wrote: If they had that kind of money I'm sure they'd find more "productive" ways to use it.
They do have that kind of money: http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/06/news/isis-funding/ $2 billion in 2014.
The initial cost of each one of these planes would eat up almost 1/5th of their "GDP." They need all that money for waging war and keeping their awful theocratic state from imploding.

Initial cost - you mean new? Not really applicable here...

RossD
RossD UltimaDork
12/10/15 2:27 p.m.
Luke wrote: I just got back from Malaysia. Travelling north from Johor to Penang, the amount of abandoned construction projects littering the countryside is crazy. According to locals I spoke to, it's usually a case of running out of money. My guess is the same happened with these planes...maybe the landing and parking fines eventually exceeded their scrap value.

I asked the same question about all the half built houses in Jamaica. The local bus driver said people spend the money as it comes in since no bank will loan money to the average person. He said it might take 30 years to build a house; same as my mortgage.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/10/15 2:42 p.m.
RossD wrote:
Luke wrote: I just got back from Malaysia. Travelling north from Johor to Penang, the amount of abandoned construction projects littering the countryside is crazy. According to locals I spoke to, it's usually a case of running out of money. My guess is the same happened with these planes...maybe the landing and parking fines eventually exceeded their scrap value.
I asked the same question about all the half built houses in Jamaica. The local bus driver said people spend the money as it comes in since no bank will loan money to the average person. He said it might take 30 years to build a house; same as my mortgage.

People do the same thing by me. It's not too hard to get a loan, but it's much less risky to build your house over many years instead - you can pause building a house but not paying a loan.

I did something similar with my car's big overhaul in fact (saved up for 7 years instead of taking out a loan).

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
12/10/15 3:50 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson wrote: Is it legal to get parts of scrapped planes? I assume the history of any parts must be fully documented so if there are no maintenance logs for the part it can't be used?

Vintage plane mechanics do it all the time. Pratt & Whitney ain't making new R-2800s.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill PowerDork
12/10/15 4:10 p.m.
Appleseed wrote:
Adrian_Thompson wrote: Is it legal to get parts of scrapped planes? I assume the history of any parts must be fully documented so if there are no maintenance logs for the part it can't be used?
Vintage plane mechanics do it all the time. Pratt & Whitney ain't making new R-2800s.

I thought to be used without logs in a commercial/business aircraft, an engine would have to be completely rebuilt.

RX Reven'
RX Reven' GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/10/15 4:41 p.m.
Luke wrote: I just got back from Malaysia. Travelling north from Johor to Penang, the amount of abandoned construction projects littering the countryside is crazy. According to locals I spoke to, it's usually a case of running out of money. My guess is the same happened with these planes...maybe the landing and parking fines eventually exceeded their scrap value.

Hi Luke,

Small world - I was in Penang last year.

Are you in electronics or medical devices or???

iceracer
iceracer PowerDork
12/10/15 5:17 p.m.

I just read and article where a man buys up used parts and stocks them for replacement on a certain WW II trainer. Includes engines sometimes.

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