Perhaps officer short fuse has a steroid problem?
Perhaps officer short fuse has a steroid problem?
you mean his chest is not that big naturally?
Datsun1500 wrote:oldsaw wrote: I saw a driver who never made an immediate effort to yell that he was CCW. You didn't.Should he have to yell it? He tried to let them know, they did not want to let him talk
No, he shouldn't have to yell it. But, I also think the driver should have made a far more serious attempt than he did and a lot sooner, too.
The driver and the officer are pretty much equal on the dim-wit scale.
No, the beligerence of the officer overshadowed the meekness of the driver. He tried multiple ( I counted 5 times in less than a minute) to tell the officer that he had a CC, he had his permit in hand the entire time. He WAS trying, the bully just would not let him.
This is unacceptable "police" work. Might be fine thug work, but LEO's should NEVER act such as this.
oldsaw wrote:Datsun1500 wrote:No, he shouldn't have to yell it. But, I also think the driver should have made a far more serious attempt than he did and a lot sooner, too. The driver and the officer are pretty much equal on the dim-wit scale.oldsaw wrote: I saw a driver who never made an immediate effort to yell that he was CCW. You didn't.Should he have to yell it? He tried to let them know, they did not want to let him talk
I've seen this said several places. Try that sometime. Shout over an Officers who's trying to talk you, "I'VE GOT A GUN" and see what happens.
Sometimes the gunholder is trying to be a dick and runs across a cool headed cop...
http://www.break.com/index/one-good-cop-2086255
holding both hands up in the air outside the open window, one hand gripping the CCW permit between finger and thumb, might work. It is abnormal behavior that ought to get their attention.
I had that same thought, Joey.. but if you watch the video.. he HAS the permit in his hand.. and cop blows it off.
This article has some more details. Apparently this policeman has had other problems while on the job.
CANTON — Patrolman Daniel Harless raged at the man in handcuffs.
WARNING: This video was obtained through a public records request. It contains harsh language and may be considered offensive to some viewers.
Minutes earlier, William E. Bartlett had told police he had a license to carry a concealed gun and was armed.
“As soon as I felt your gun I should have took two steps back, pulled my Glock 40 and just put 10 bullets in your ass and let you drop. And I wouldn’t have lost any sleep,” Harless shouted. “Do you understand me?”
“Yes, sir, I do,” replied Bartlett, still sounding calm.
The dashboard camera in the patrolman’s cruiser recorded the June 8 traffic stop, and the video went viral Thursday after being posted on the website of Ohioans For Concealed Carry and YouTube.
“I think it’s important for citizens to understand that the behavior demonstrated on the video is wholly unacceptable, and it violates many of our rules, our regulations and standards we demand of our officers,” Police Chief Dean McKimm said in response.
Harless, a 14-year department veteran, is under investigation, and was placed on paid administrative leave June 20, according to his personnel file.
He has been on sick leave since Monday, and the results of the internal affairs investigation will be presented at a disciplinary hearing, the chief said.
“The city administration, in conjunction with the police department, recognizes the seriousness of this matter,” McKimm said.
THE TRAFFIC STOP
Harless and his partner, patrolman Mark Diels, were working northwest Canton on June 8 when they spotted Bartlett’s gold Pontiac stopped in the 100 block of Newton Avenue NW around 1:38 a.m.
The area is known for prostitution and drug trafficking. A woman was standing outside Bartlett’s car. A third person was in the back seat.
The police ordered the rear passenger to get out and place his hands on the car roof. Harless questioned the man and the woman while Diels climbed in the rear seat. Bartlett sat quietly behind the wheel, according to an enhanced audio version of the recording posted by the gun group.
The Repository obtained from the police department a copy of the recording that was not enhanced and could only immediately verify some audio of the exchange between Harless and Bartlett.
Some four minutes after pulling up to Bartlett’s car, Harless talked to him.
“I have a carry...,” Bartlett said before Harless cut him off, asking for his license. Bartlett then tried to explain why he was in the neighborhood and Harless ordered him out of the car, according to the enhanced recording.
Bartlett got out, holding a card in his hand.
“Why do you keep having that? What is that?” Harless asked.
“Because I have a concealed carry,” Bartlett said.
“You have a weapon on you?”
“Yes, sir.”
Bartlett had a .38-caliber Ruger pistol, according to court papers. The officers handcuffed him and put him in the cruiser.
Harless went off.
“I’m so close to caving in your (expletive) head...You (expletive) with me...You’re just a stupid human being,” he shouted at Bartlett, according to both versions of the video.
“Yes, sir,” Bartlett said.
“(Expletive) talking to me with a (expletive) gun. You want me to pull mine and stick it to your head?”
“No, sir. No, sir.”
“People like you don’t deserve to (expletive) move throughout public. Period. Stupid idiot.”
Later, Harless told Bartlett that he should have executed him for being stupid, and threatened to stop Bartlett every time he sees him, tow his car and take him to jail.
Bartlett, 52, of Brewster, is contesting the charges against him, carrying a concealed weapon for allegedly failing to notify police about the weapon and a traffic offense for stopping in the roadway. Both charges are misdemeanors.
The case is pending in Municipal Court with a jury trial scheduled for next month.
Efforts were made to contact Harless and Diels.
SUPPORTING THE DEFENSE
Bartlett wasn’t home when a reporter stopped Thursday. A call seeking comment was left for his attorney.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry is raising money for Bartlett’s defense and using the video in its effort to repeal the law that requires license holders to promptly notify police that they have a weapon.
The requirement is vague and arbitrary, the activist group argues.
“As you start implementing it, it gets real unreasonable, real fast,” said Doug Deeken, a coordinator for the group.
OFFICER’S HISTORY
Harless, 45, an Ohio native and former Marine worked as a police officer in Virginia for four years before coming to Canton in 1996.
During his career he has earned several commendations.
One was from a Virginia judge, who praised the way Harless handled a situation involving a man with a gun, according to records in his city personnel file.
Canton’s internal affairs unit has investigated 16 complaints involving Harless dating back to 2000.
He was reprimanded in one 2003 case. Harless and another officer were exonerated of using excessive force, but were given a letter of reprimand for not activating the in-car video camera at the scene per department policy.
UNION REACTS
Bill Adams, president of the Canton Police Patrolmen’s Association, has watched the video of the June incident.
“Obviously whatever transpired on that video is an isolated incident,” Adams said. “It happened and it’s being handled properly right now and the chief is doing what he feels is necessary.”
Adams said calls involving guns can be emotional and dangerous situations, but he wasn’t condoning anything that might have happened on the recording.
“We’re a very well-trained and well-rounded police department that has solid officers that can make good, solid decisions every day,” he said. “You can’t (take) one incident like this and make it like every (officer) is out of control.”
http://www.cantonrep.com/carousel/x121489646/Canton-officer-under-investigation-after-concealed-carry-arrest
Drewsifer wrote: I've seen this said several places. Try that sometime. Shout over an Officers who's trying to talk you, "I'VE GOT A GUN" and see what happens.
Like so many, "It's so simple, here's the answer" bits. It's probably wrong. They usually are.
It *might8 have worked by ensuring the information was out there. Or it the yelling might have escalated it even further. It's not like the cop was being mister sane and calm to begin with.
It would possibly make the victim less culpable if he got shot. But I'm not sure it reduces him chances of being shot. And there's a chance it increases the odds of that happening.
He probably figured that as the cop was already going batE36 M3 that doing it calmly was a lot better answer even though it turns out it didn't work. And I'm not going to fault him for it, both approaches have pros and cons.
aussiesmg wrote: If he acts like that at the station they will jump at the chance to get rid of him....
It's a government AND union job. Neither group is renowned for harboring competent employees... Do you have any idea how difficult it is to fire someone in a union? The Chrysler employees recorded drinking beer and smoking weed next to the union hall probably all got employee of the month commendations. Latest report states its more likely for government employees to die than be fired from their job.
mad_machine wrote: I had that same thought, Joey.. but if you watch the video.. he HAS the permit in his hand.. and cop blows it off.
I understand what you and others are saying.
But, I also see a driver very slow to react. His tardiness was only compounded (exponentially) by two officers who were way too intent on the passenger and the pedestrian.
Lots of lessons to be learned here.....
That is something I am confused about. Why would the one guy go through the guy's car without securing him first?
YaNi wrote:aussiesmg wrote: If he acts like that at the station they will jump at the chance to get rid of him....It's a government AND union job. Neither group is renowned for harboring competent employees... Do you have any idea how difficult it is to fire someone in a union? The Chrysler employees recorded drinking beer and smoking weed next to the union hall probably all got employee of the month commendations. Latest report states its more likely for government employees to die than be fired from their job.
If you read the whole thread I stated I was a cop for 16 years. Yes I know how it works, probably better than you do. Video evidence is very damning and it is not hard to fire a convicted cop, in fact it is mandatory.
I must add that comparing a factory worker drinking and smoking at lunch to an out of control cop threatening to kill someone with his weapon, seems inappropriate at best
Bobzilla wrote: We wouldn't have this problem if they just banned all guns. Right?
My sarcasm meter may be off, I hope it is.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes ... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson
Yes. Your sarcasm meter is off.
mad_machine wrote: That is something I am confused about. Why would the one guy go through the guy's car without securing him first?
i think (not having read it since first seeing the thread) that the article states this was against policy for the department
Hands out of the window with the permit in hand, before the officer even reaches the car. When they arrive, do your best to inform them of the weapon's location, and let them decide how they want to handle it.
Would that have worked here? I can't say, and I suspect not, but any police officer should realize what hands hanging out of a window means in a state with concealed carry.
racinginc215 wrote: Blacks can jump high Asians who are good at math
No berkeleying way. I need to see this.
YaNi wrote: Latest report states its more likely for government employees to die than be fired from their job.
Latest report I read was that all government employees will die.
oldsaw wrote:YaNi wrote: Latest report states its more likely for government employees to die than be fired from their job.Latest report I read was that all government employees will die.
I hope, for the DMV folks anyway, it is slow where they have to stand in a barely moving line with smelly degenerates who all have suspended licenses and all they want is to get a replacement card... and when they get to the end they get treated like criminals and sent to another line because they needed different paperwork and then, after they get it they can come back to the end of the first line and the window closes just as they get there. Over and over. Then they die.
More videos of Officer Harless have been found. Par for the course. Threatening to kill people every few seconds and overly aggressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPq--Nu0eC4
Like I said earlier someone is leaking these videos, this guy is out of control and at least one of his co workers knows it.
aussiesmg wrote: Like I said earlier someone is leaking these videos, this guy is out of control and at least one of his co workers knows it.
And yet because the rest of his coworkers likely know it and allow it, that demonstrates the problem.
There may not be a majority of cops that are actively bad cops. But the vast majority of cops know someone who is and are passively bad cops by not acting. Closing ranks to protect the bad ones may not be as bad as being one. But it's not much better in the end.
I am sure his co-workers are sick to death of him. You notice nobody even talks to him and they are more than happy to let him do all the screaming and ranting while they do the real work.
Leaking these videos might be the only way to get rid of him.
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