And before any claims of floundering start, notice when they say it started, and how it's being continued now.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/verizon-providing-all-call-records-to-us-under-court-order/2013/06/05/98656606-ce47-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html
Look at how surprised I am.
When this stuff comes to light, people always talk about leaving the country. That's asinine, we have front row seats! Watching the USA fall apart from Canada is like siting in the nosebleed section.
i hate that i'm on the same side as AlGore on something..
novaderrik wrote: i hate that i'm on the same side as AlGore on something..
Me too, but there are occasionally times when disagreeing for the sake of disagreement has to be put aside. This is one for me too.
so ... how many on here are actually surprised that this could/is happening ?
now where oh where is my tin-foil hat ? 
This kind of thing never bothers me. I don't hold my privacy sacred, I guess. At least I'm in before the lock.
Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along. Look there is something shiney over there.
I read the actual court order... and this:
Op's article said: The court order, good for three months, requires Verizon to hand over to the NSA, the world’s largest spy agency, comprehensive communications-routing information, including but not limited to numbers dialed and received, length of call, and customers’ name and address or financial information. The order does not tell Verizon to provide any information about the content of the calls.
is a flat out lie. the order specifically states they CANNOT get: customers’ name and address or financial information.
here it is, for people that want the truth, and not just BullE36 M3 scare tactics for traffic purposes.:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order
So if this court order was double super secret, how did peeps in the UK know about and we didn't?
spitfirebill wrote: So if this court order was double super secret, how did peeps in the UK know about and we didn't?
No-one has been able to confirm that it is even true. It is the normal news Mantra nowadays, "POST IT QUICK!!!! who cares if it is true... make stuff up if needs be, we have to be first."
MadScientistMatt wrote:novaderrik wrote: i hate that i'm on the same side as AlGore on something..Me too, but there are occasionally times when disagreeing for the sake of disagreement has to be put aside. This is one for me too.
Disagreement for disagreements sake? You mean all of politics... Ever?
Joey
SCARR wrote: is a flat out lie. the order specifically states they CANNOT get: customers’ name and address or financial information.
It says those things are not part of the metadata which is just a statement of fact but they have phone numbers and routing info. With that - I can get your name if you didn't specifically make it unlisted so you can bet they can too. The real question is - if this is a real thing - why are they being allowed to snoop on everyone without a specific reason?
SCARR wrote:spitfirebill wrote: So if this court order was double super secret, how did peeps in the UK know about and we didn't?No-one has been able to confirm that it is even true. It is the normal news Mantra nowadays, "POST IT QUICK!!!! who cares if it is true... make stuff up if needs be, we have to be first."
If this is "made-up", where are the denials?
This is why the First Amendment was the first amendment. Insuring the rights of the press was to allow it (the press) to act as a watch dog against government excess. Someone leaked info and the press reported it as it is their responsibility.
oldsaw wrote: This is why the First Amendment was the first amendment. Insuring the rights of the press was to allow it (the press) to act as a watch dog against government excess. Someone leaked info and the press reported it as it is their responsibility.
Having the DOJ stir up a hornet's nest by kicking the press in the nuts might have been an actual boost for civil liberty proponents. Maybe it will inspire them to do some real investigative reporting instead of just reading off the sheet they were given. Nothing focuses you like trouble in your own yard.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:SCARR wrote: is a flat out lie. the order specifically states they CANNOT get: customers’ name and address or financial information.It says those things are not part of the metadata which is just a statement of fact but they have phone numbers and routing info. With that - I can get your name if you didn't specifically make it unlisted so you can bet they can too. The real question is - if this is a real thing - why are they being allowed to snoop on everyone without a specific reason?
Irrelevant to my statement: the OP's article is a lying for shock factor.
That is how crap flows these days: something happens, one site posts something a little skewed, the next skews it some more, etc etc etc.. until the last reports are saying that the federal Gov't is collecting phone call transcriptions, and wiretaps.
Not news to me. I consider everything tapped and recorded unless privately secured otherwise. So far I've never been wrong.
remember the concern over government (NSA IIRC) word recognition on phone transmissions....
Bubba the love sponge, lols
More importantly, the new season of the Kardashians is coming up. I can hardly wait to see what shenanigans they're up to now.
SCARR wrote: Irrelevant to my statement: the OP's article is a lying for shock factor. That is how crap flows these days: something happens, one site posts something a little skewed, the next skews it some more, etc etc etc.. until the last reports are saying that the federal Gov't is collecting phone call transcriptions, and wiretaps.
I'm not disagreeing with you on that point. There is a lot of E36 M3 reporting on the web for sure. My point was that the order itself is disturbing. Embellishment was not necessary.
Nothing to see here. Move along!
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:SCARR wrote: Irrelevant to my statement: the OP's article is a lying for shock factor. That is how crap flows these days: something happens, one site posts something a little skewed, the next skews it some more, etc etc etc.. until the last reports are saying that the federal Gov't is collecting phone call transcriptions, and wiretaps.I'm not disagreeing with you on that point. There is a lot of E36 M3 reporting on the web for sure. My point was that the order itself is disturbing. Embellishment was not necessary.
How is it more disturbing that normal? WORSE has been happening for over decade, starting from the Bush regime (actual wiretapping, not just knowing what traffic is happening).
This is the equivalent of a car company doing a recall for fading paint on the roof of a car that is rusting out in the frame in less than 2 years.
Isn't the washington post the rag you wipe your ass with......or is that the new york post. I keep mixing these two up and I don't know why.....
oldtin wrote: More importantly, the new season of the Kardashians is coming up. I can hardly wait to see what shenanigans they're up to now.
Baby, Kanye ends up in prison for failing to pay child support, and the rest become whores for the billionth time.......And they say people cannot predict the future. 
Thank god I'm not with Verizon! 
DoctorBlade wrote: Thank god I'm not with Verizon!
LoLz.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-06/white-house-defends-its-wiretapping-millions-us-citizens
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