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friedgreencorrado
friedgreencorrado PowerDork
9/17/12 12:20 p.m.

There's also oil involved.

http://www.eia.gov/emeu/cabs/East_China_Sea/Full.html

yamaha
yamaha HalfDork
9/17/12 12:34 p.m.

Same difference as china still claims taiwan......

Flight Service
Flight Service SuperDork
9/17/12 1:13 p.m.

When I was doing my Quality visits in China and Japan, I found the Chinese to be very welcoming of the 6'5" white guy. They were eager to share and show me things. I felt like Mickey Mouse walking around Disney and they were the kids.

In Japan, the young people wanted to speak English to me, the older generation aggressively tried to ignore me. Except one very nice old man. When I was at Hajime Castle he walked up to me very slowly and asked, "are you American?" I said, "yes." He then asked if I had seen Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I told him no. He then said, "you are American, you must see and understand Hiroshima and Nagasaki." Very nice, very polite, but I got his point.

Chinese also don't like black people.

Grizz
Grizz Dork
9/17/12 1:29 p.m.
Flight Service wrote: Chinese also don't like black people.

Most asians don't.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill UltraDork
9/17/12 1:41 p.m.

Read up on Unit 731. It will explain a lot.

yamaha
yamaha HalfDork
9/17/12 1:46 p.m.

I think Japan was told the chinese bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.......instead of Chicken and Cow, which filled in for Dolphin and Whale...

Flight Service
Flight Service SuperDork
9/17/12 1:46 p.m.
spitfirebill wrote: Read up on Unit 731. It will explain a lot.

So the feelings toward the Japanese are not without some justification

yamaha
yamaha HalfDork
9/17/12 1:51 p.m.

In reply to Flight Service:

As I've understood it, and its never as well taught in history classes, in ww2, the japanese were probably worse than the nazi's........the whole holocaust thing kinda overshadowed those offenses though.

Flight Service
Flight Service SuperDork
9/17/12 2:00 p.m.
yamaha wrote: In reply to Flight Service: As I've understood it, and its never as well taught in history classes, in ww2, the japanese were probably worse than the nazi's........the whole holocaust thing kinda overshadowed those offenses though.

...and the apparent lack of documentation recovery.

turboswede
turboswede GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/17/12 2:08 p.m.

Yep, the Japanese were let off the hook by the US in exchange for getting their knowledge of biological weapons.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy SuperDork
9/17/12 2:10 p.m.

Yes, the Japanese and the Chinese do (a lot of the time) dislike each other.

ZOO wrote: Isn't it nice to have such fabulous neighbours to the North?

You better keep thinking that, lest we burn the White House down again...

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/17/12 2:13 p.m.

In reply to yamaha:

Don't forget about the Ruskies berking the Poles in the Katyn forest, oh and the Italians berking the Ethiopians and Slavs, and the PRC's berking over of the Kuomintang Chinese...

WWII was a much, much larger and nastier conflict than most US History classes like to acknowledge.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill UltraDork
9/17/12 2:13 p.m.
turboswede wrote: Yep, the Japanese were let off the hook by the US in exchange for getting their knowledge of biological weapons.

And medical research info (ie more like torture), a lot like the Nazi's.

I have heard that some US agency turned a blind eye to Mengele and let him get away.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill UltraDork
9/17/12 2:15 p.m.
Flight Service wrote:
spitfirebill wrote: Read up on Unit 731. It will explain a lot.
So the feelings toward the Japanese are not without some justification

No, but like others have said this goes back centuries.

yamaha
yamaha HalfDork
9/17/12 2:19 p.m.

In reply to Javelin:

Indeed it was.....and if you don't read more than what is taught, you'll think that everything is puppies and rainbows

carguy123
carguy123 PowerDork
9/17/12 3:12 p.m.

It goes back to the very beginning of being Japanese.

The Chinese have hated the Japanese since the Japanese first migrated to their island from China. I'm wondering if they weren't expelled.

Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon MegaDork
9/17/12 4:06 p.m.

Dunno about the Japanese biowar stuff, but Wernher von Braun, father of the NASA programs which led to the Saturn boosters and ultimately the Apollo moon landings, was a Nazi and was in charge of the development of the V-2 rockets that Germany rained onto Britain during WWII. The US military grabbed him and brought him here, he spent the rest of his life living luxuriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun#Involvement_with_the_Nazi_regime

He was the highest profile Nazi but there were others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
9/17/12 4:13 p.m.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH2P_pVze6s

I like Chinese.

Basil Exposition
Basil Exposition Reader
9/17/12 5:07 p.m.
pinchvalve wrote: Newsflash: everyone on the planet hates someone, and is hated by someone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUwbZ9AlSPI

Written and performed before PC made satire a crime...

EricM
EricM SuperDork
9/17/12 5:57 p.m.

I read a book in a cultures class in college, it was called "who hates who". Our government uses it to make sure they don't offend anyone accidentally.

aircooled
aircooled PowerDork
9/17/12 5:59 p.m.
Curmudgeon wrote: ...Wernher von Braun, father of the NASA programs which led to the Saturn boosters and ultimately the Apollo moon landings, was a Nazi and was in charge of the development of the V-2 rockets that Germany rained onto Britain during WWII...

I believe the primary reason he would be considered for prosecution was the use of slave labor in the production of the V2's (which he was in charge of). Von Braun claimed he only cooperated and helped the Nazi's because he was so obsessed with rockets and ultimately going into space and the moon and that was the only way to continue his work.

I believe his behavior tended to support this. He was responsible for taking almost all of the Nazi's rocket data secrets from Peenemunde (after being told to destroy them) and escaping with them to the western forces. This seems to indicate he had far greater allegiance to rockets then to the Nazis.

Duke
Duke PowerDork
9/17/12 6:19 p.m.
Basil Exposition wrote:
pinchvalve wrote: Newsflash: everyone on the planet hates someone, and is hated by someone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUwbZ9AlSPI Written and performed before PC made satire a crime...

Let me guess without looking: National Brotherhood Week by Tom Lehrer.

Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon MegaDork
9/17/12 7:43 p.m.
aircooled wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote: ...Wernher von Braun, father of the NASA programs which led to the Saturn boosters and ultimately the Apollo moon landings, was a Nazi and was in charge of the development of the V-2 rockets that Germany rained onto Britain during WWII...
I believe the primary reason he would be considered for prosecution was the use of slave labor in the production of the V2's (which he was in charge of). Von Braun claimed he only cooperated and helped the Nazi's because he was so obsessed with rockets and ultimately going into space and the moon and that was the only way to continue his work. I believe his behavior tended to support this. He was responsible for taking almost all of the Nazi's rocket data secrets from Peenemunde (after being told to destroy them) and escaping with them to the western forces. This seems to indicate he had far greater allegiance to rockets then to the Nazis.

True. It could also be argued that he told the story his captors wanted to hear. Had things gone the other way in WWII, who's to say he would not have lived out his days as a very high ranking Nazi watching his dreams being built by slaves?

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/17/12 7:55 p.m.
carguy123 wrote: It goes back to the very beginning of being Japanese. The Chinese have hated the Japanese since the Japanese first migrated to their island from China. I'm wondering if they weren't expelled.

if you look at the migration.. they actually came down the Korean penninsula.

The other people that hate the chinese are the Ainu.. the idiginous people of japan. Before the forced breeding commenced, they were completely Occidental. Nobody knows how they got there or where they came from, but they had been there long before the people that became the Japanese came to the islands

wlkelley3
wlkelley3 Dork
9/17/12 8:36 p.m.

As stated, no new flash. All of Asia has had a dislike for Japanese for centuries. What has been linked to in this thread is only the most recent, since we've been tracking. But it goes back centuries. In Korea, Admiral Yi who invented the Turtle Ship 500 years ago is still a national hero. Took many years in the U.S. for my Korean wife to get used to Japanese.

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