captainzib
captainzib Reader
11/20/08 8:05 p.m.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/chinese-want-to-buy-the-b_b_144920.html

From the article:

'GM is worth less than Mattel'

A company that makes real cars, is worth less than the company that makes Hotwheels.

Berkeleyed, that's what that is.

captainzib
captainzib Reader
11/20/08 8:36 p.m.

Seriously, they screwed up dog food, tooth paste, children's toys, dairy products. Their industry has a ways to go in the quality control and standards depts.

rob_lewis
rob_lewis GRM+ Memberand Dork
11/20/08 8:59 p.m.

You mean they don't own half the country already?

-Rob

Stuc
Stuc HalfDork
11/20/08 9:04 p.m.

Wow... I thought it couldn't get any worse

kcbhiw
kcbhiw Reader
11/20/08 9:58 p.m.

See also: Harbor Freight.

hotrodlarry
hotrodlarry New Reader
11/20/08 10:01 p.m.
captainzib wrote: A company that makes real cars, is worth less than the company that makes Hotwheels. Berkeleyed, that's what that is.

Sad part is...everyone is still buyin Hot Wheels...even when they brought back some old models

carguy123
carguy123 HalfDork
11/20/08 10:41 p.m.

Makes sense.

Instead of a knee jerk reaction, think about what that does to the Big 3 - instant solvency and now the Chinese have to deal with the unions. Almost makes me laugh to think about that!

The Big 3 also have a huge untapped market to sell their product to.

fastEddie
fastEddie Dork
11/20/08 11:17 p.m.

UFC-6,823: Communist China vs. The UAW - now that would be an awesome Pay-Per-View!!

carguy123
carguy123 HalfDork
11/20/08 11:48 p.m.

It would probably be more interesting than professional wrestling!

nickel_dime
nickel_dime HalfDork
11/21/08 5:34 a.m.

Maybe they'll bring back leaded automotive paint.

Osterkraut
Osterkraut HalfDork
11/21/08 6:44 a.m.
carguy123 wrote: Makes sense. Instead of a knee jerk reaction, think about what that does to the Big 3 - instant solvency and now the Chinese have to deal with the unions. Almost makes me laugh to think about that! The Big 3 also have a huge untapped market to sell their product to.

Buick is HUGE in China. Like, seriously huge. There's some nice long-wheelbase Chinese-only Buicks that we (obviously) don't get.

stumpmj
stumpmj Dork
11/21/08 6:48 a.m.
carguy123 wrote: Makes sense. Instead of a knee jerk reaction, think about what that does to the Big 3 - instant solvency and now the Chinese have to deal with the unions. Almost makes me laugh to think about that! The Big 3 also have a huge untapped market to sell their product to.

Actually, GM is either #1 or #2 in China already.

aircooled
aircooled Dork
11/21/08 10:21 a.m.

Yes, American cars are considered the luxury "status" cars in China, especially Buick's.

I am a bit surprised that China is some way doesn't essentially own the automakers already. I think if they sift through the paper work a bit more they will find that they do.

Strizzo
Strizzo Dork
11/21/08 11:05 a.m.
Osterkraut wrote: Buick is HUGE in China. Like, seriously huge. There's some nice long-wheelbase Chinese-only Buicks that are actually built in Austrailia.

fixed

Type Q
Type Q HalfDork
11/21/08 12:29 p.m.

If I remember my history correctly, the last time GM was in this bad shape financially, was the 1930's. It survived then by selling a large, perhaps majority, stake in the company to DuPont. It raised enough cash to continue operations. I think that ownership continue to this day. So there is at least precident for GM selling off a large portion of itself to survive bad times.

This reminds a little like the way the way some asian and european consumer electronics companies bought American companies to use the brand names to market their own stuff. Zenith and Magnavox are the ones I think of off the top of my head.

stumpmj
stumpmj Dork
11/22/08 7:55 p.m.
Type Q wrote: If I remember my history correctly, the last time GM was in this bad shape financially, was the 1930's. It survived then by selling a large, perhaps majority, stake in the company to DuPont. It raised enough cash to continue operations. I think that ownership continue to this day. So there is at least precident for GM selling off a large portion of itself to survive bad times. This reminds a little like the way the way some asian and european consumer electronics companies bought American companies to use the brand names to market their own stuff. Zenith and Magnavox are the ones I think of off the top of my head.

That's no good now. You could buy the entire company for the equivalent of one month's cash burn (<$2 billion). At the time, one of the Dupont family members was on the board and invested a chunk of the family fortune in the company in a new issuance of shares. At least that's what I read in Sloan's autobiography.

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