In reply to AAZCD (Forum Supporter) :
Depending on the data you are looking at it may be estimates and not actual counts. Make sure you check the fine print to be sure you know which one the table is showing.
In reply to AAZCD (Forum Supporter) :
Depending on the data you are looking at it may be estimates and not actual counts. Make sure you check the fine print to be sure you know which one the table is showing.
In reply to No Time :
Yes, you can see that week 47 of 2020 is not completely tabulated (42,645 deaths), but is on-trend if you consider the percentage completed 89.6%).
Try it out on the page, read the full disclaimer and compare other periods: https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html
Again, I must stress that total deaths is not an indicative number on its own. Flu deaths and C19 deaths might be similar, but the R0 value, the number of infected, and the delayed nature of symptoms put C19 in an entirely different category.
Ignoring or nullifying C19 is what will cause it to be a super-killer.
Subscriber-unavailabile said:Another thing I'll add to this discussion.
Why is there no talk of home self therapeutics? Supposedly, taking vita D, B , and zinc daily gives our body's a much better chance at fighting not just this virus but others.
Heard an interview with Dr Rhonda Patrick couple months ago, where they did a study, that if memory serves right, they found something 80-90# of people who got servere symptoms/ or died had serverly low vitamin D levels, almost not even registering.What I'm getting at is I get stay at home, wear a mask and distance from other. But why doesn't anyone talk about how to take of our bodies to fight off viruses?
I am all about self care, and it's very wise. I take several things from the natural category like fish oil, vit E, a multi, and vit D based on yearly blood test results and what my doc and I think is best.
I would hesitate at this point to alter my natural medication until further study is done, however. I'll have to look it up, but there was a virus outbreak about a decade ago somewhere in Africa. Doctors there had been experimenting with vit B12 for preventing Malaria... not because B12 helps your body defend against the virus, but high doses of B12 get excreted through your skin' sweat glands making you less tasty for mosquitos. Natural repellent, so to speak. The study was designed to see if the test group had a lower infection rate of Malaria because the B12 reduced the frequency of mosquito bites. Then an outbreak of something (maybe Ebola?) hit and the death rate from Ebola in the B12 test group was many times higher. They later discovered that something about the metabolites of B12 were creating a much better environment for the virus to replicate. In that case, the healthy vitamins they were taking were making the virus worse and causing more death.
I remember all of this because my medically-trained wife at the time had read the study and decided to start taking B12 to see if it saved her from mosquito bites in the summer. I'll have to see if I can find the story.
Long story short, I am personally holding off on the self-prescribing of anything OTC/natural/homeopathic until further science-y things happen.
Here's my question:
if you have the antibodies, do you get a card without the vaccine if they mandate it or restrict travel/work/etc.? I'd Way rather have the virus than the vaccine.
In reply to Carbon (Forum Supporter) :
If you have the antibodies, it means you had it and could get it again once those antibodies are gone. In the case of C19, that time period appears to be about 2-3 months on the average. The point of a vaccine is to prevent you from getting it and spreading it. Simply having had it before doesn't mean you won't get it again and be able to spread it.
Some viruses you get once and your body keeps the antibodies forever, like Chicken Pox. Others, like the cold or C19, it keeps for very short periods.
Carbon (Forum Supporter) said:I'd Way rather have the virus than the vaccine.
Umm... really?
Regarding Africa, another thing to consider is their general population is very young. Iirc like 50% of people are under 20.
It will be interesting to see if employeers start requiring it.
I hope I can get the vaccine before Dragoncon 2021 (providing it happens).
93EXCivic said:
It will be interesting to see if employeers start requiring it.
I expect my company (gigantocorp) will provide it for free every year, and may even incentivize taking it. I'd guess insurance companies will want the same.
mtn (Forum Supporter) said:93EXCivic said:
It will be interesting to see if employeers start requiring it.
I expect my company (gigantocorp) will provide it for free every year, and may even incentivize taking it. I'd guess insurance companies will want the same.
Haven't the Feds already said they are going to provide it for "free" to everyone?
In reply to z31maniac :
The idea has been floating around... whether or not the funding gets through Congress is another matter.
z31maniac said:Haven't the Feds already said they are going to provide it for "free" to everyone?
I don't think anything is official yet, like Ian said, but I also don't know if that is a one time deal or an annual deal. I'm working under the assumption that this will be like the flu shot, get it every year.
93EXCivic said:Regarding Africa, another thing to consider is their general population is very young. Iirc like 50% of people are under 20...
Interesting point. India has a median age of 27. The US is 38. Northern and Southern Africa appears to be around 28 while central Africa is more around 18! Doesn't mean they aren't getting it and transmitting it, but would greatly reduce deaths and the likelihood someone would get tested / reported.
Another aspect I thought of is that both Africa and India likely have a far lower amounts of HVAC in buildings (great way to spread a virus). This would more apply to the lower incomes of course, but they are also generally in the highest population density areas.
mtn (Forum Supporter) said:z31maniac said:Haven't the Feds already said they are going to provide it for "free" to everyone?
I don't think anything is official yet, like Ian said, but I also don't know if that is a one time deal or an annual deal. I'm working under the assumption that this will be like the flu shot, get it every year.
Given the rushed devolvement of the current vaccines, I would expect updated shots for at least a few years.
Carbon (Forum Supporter) said:...
I'd Way rather have the virus than the vaccine.
I'd rather have it and be Asymptomatic, but you don't get to choose how it effects you. Fighting for each breath and not getting the oxygen you need from it sucks. Going on a respirator is no fun, but relieves you of the effort. Many patents do not come off the respirator alive.
I'd definitely recommend the vaccine over rollin' the dice.
I work in a small enterprise area of SC, about an hour away from a large metro area. I informally polled my department, ranging from 50K annual blue collar to 150K annually VP types.
54% say they will take the vaccine.
Ian F (Forum Supporter) said:mtn (Forum Supporter) said:z31maniac said:Haven't the Feds already said they are going to provide it for "free" to everyone?
I don't think anything is official yet, like Ian said, but I also don't know if that is a one time deal or an annual deal. I'm working under the assumption that this will be like the flu shot, get it every year.
Given the rushed devolvement of the current vaccines, I would expect updated shots for at least a few years.
I definitely do, but I'm curious if that will be because they're adding strains and/or improving its efficacy, or to make them more stable/cost effective (i.e. Pfizer and their -273* storage requirement). And, will it require annual (or similar) booster shots or just getting the entire thing again. I get the TDAP once every 10 years, but the flu shot every year. Where does this one fall (I suspect along the lines of the flu shot).
Not just a no but a hard no.
mtn (Forum Supporter) said:Ian F (Forum Supporter) said:mtn (Forum Supporter) said:z31maniac said:Haven't the Feds already said they are going to provide it for "free" to everyone?
I don't think anything is official yet, like Ian said, but I also don't know if that is a one time deal or an annual deal. I'm working under the assumption that this will be like the flu shot, get it every year.
Given the rushed devolvement of the current vaccines, I would expect updated shots for at least a few years.
I definitely do, but I'm curious if that will be because they're adding strains and/or improving its efficacy, or to make them more stable/cost effective (i.e. Pfizer and their -273* storage requirement). And, will it require annual (or similar) booster shots or just getting the entire thing again. I get the TDAP once every 10 years, but the flu shot every year. Where does this one fall (I suspect along the lines of the flu shot).
Well, part of the reason for the flu shot every year, is because every year it's fighting against different strands than the previous year. They pick in advance which strains of roughly 150 they think will be most likely to make it to the US, be transmitted and make people ill.
mtn (Forum Supporter) said:z31maniac said:Haven't the Feds already said they are going to provide it for "free" to everyone?
I don't think anything is official yet, like Ian said, but I also don't know if that is a one time deal or an annual deal. I'm working under the assumption that this will be like the flu shot, get it every year.
I thought it was, hence the Feds giving $1 billion toward production of the vaccine months ago?
mtn (Forum Supporter) said:93EXCivic said:
It will be interesting to see if employeers start requiring it.
I expect my company (gigantocorp) will provide it for free every year, and may even incentivize taking it. I'd guess insurance companies will want the same.
I could see some companies requiring particularly in jobs that require direct customer interface.
In reply to 93EXCivic :
I fully expect it in my job.. I also expect the government(DOD) to require it for all those who do business with them..
What if you only experience "covid symptoms" from the vaccine?
"Hey, you're on a ventilator but relax, it's only Covid symptoms.
93EXCivic said:mtn (Forum Supporter) said:93EXCivic said:
It will be interesting to see if employeers start requiring it.
I expect my company (gigantocorp) will provide it for free every year, and may even incentivize taking it. I'd guess insurance companies will want the same.
I could see some companies requiring particularly in jobs that require direct customer interface.
I don't think they even care about that. They care about keeping their employees from being out for 2+ weeks due to something entirely avoidable.
In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :
All of the above? They are learning new things about the virus all the time. The simple fact a vaccine has been developed so quickly would indicate there will be room for improvement in both effectiveness and cost. Along that same line of thinking, I'm okay with being a test subject. I'm not likely to get sick, I'm likely to recover if I do, and if I don't... well... in the list of risky things I do, I don't put this in the top 10.
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