Dealing with neighborhood bully

Sorry you've had bad experiences with Animal control Dr. I've actually had great luck with them, as I have called them in the past.

I'd understand if someone hit my dog if he was on their property. Poison.... not so much. I understand that it is my responsibility to keep the dog under control and try to do so. Fortunately all the neighborhood kids know and love him, so it isn't a huge danger.

I understand protecting your family comes first. If Animal Control or the cops proved to be non-effective than other decisions would need to be made. The OP in this thread hasn't got to that point yet though, so it is the logical first step.

I once called our animal control about two wild dogs that had taken up residence in the woods behind our house that were aggressive. Animal Control was called by several people and they were no help at all. But if you abuse an animal in this county, they will haul you to court and treat you worse than if you had done the same to a human.

Neanwhile, the county enforcement people (not the sheriff's dept) will ride around all day long and write tickets to people that have something in the bed of a truck with no cover. Nothing has to come out of the bed, just have the "potential".

I wasn't jumping on you (or anyone else) Joe. My experiences with animal control were non-existant because they never showed up, but I grew up in Detroit where the cops don't show up either.
I would try to avoid anything violent at first (as I said in another post) but I'm not giving a dog many chances to hurt my kids.
I agree though that calls to A.C. are a necessary evil.
That incident I mentioned with the little boy being mauled; A.C never showed up and the cops came by a day or two later. The dog owner wasn't fined, called into court, or even reprimanded. The dogs lived out their days terrorizing the neighborhood....till one day they just dissapeared.

I love my dogs, and I have a dog that sounds a lot like the ones you are dealing with (in appearance, not demeanor). I am a responsible dog owner, and my dogs would never be allowed to act like that. If they were in someone else's yard threatening them, or even unintentionally making them feel threatened, I would be horrified. If the homeowner called the authorities, I would totally understand. It's my responsibility to take care of my dogs, not theirs.

If the dog owner is a responsible owner, then they should share my convictions. If they are pissed that you called authorities, then they deserve the fines for being poor owners.

Joe Gearin wrote: Animal Control is the answer. Killing or poisoning a dog that has only barked at you is not acceptable. Killing your neighbors dog is a great way to start a Hatfield / McCoy type relationship with those that live around you. Or worse.....your kid could drink that shiny sweet green fluid you put out for the dog. My dog is an escape artist. He occasionally jumps the fence, or otherwise gets out of my yard. He is known to bark, but isn't vicious, and has never snapped, or bit anyone. Although I try to keep him contained, he does occasionally get loose. Should he be killed? I'd have a big problem with that. If some sick bastard poisoned him.......that sicko had better hope I never found him. Jail time would be worth it. Call the cops, or animal control. There are people who get paid to deal with the problem you are experiencing. Killing your neighbor's family pet is a great way to insure further violence on you and your family. Call animal control. They will take the dogs away, or make it clear to the owner that this is not acceptable behavior.

Joe G, Voice of reason.

DrBoost wrote: Relax man. I think you should get to know me before you wip out your cyber-cock.

Maybe that's the answer....in a manner of speaking. You have to think like a dog. They are invading your territory because you haven't marked it yet. So you have to mark your territory, just like a dog. Start out with a 12 pack of beer and........

Snowdoggie wrote:

DrBoost wrote: Relax man. I think you should get to know me before you wip out your cyber-cock.

Maybe that's the answer....in a manner of speaking. You have to think like a dog. They are invading your territory because you haven't marked it yet. So you have to mark your territory, just like a dog. Start out with a 12 pack of beer and........

Consider it done. But, I don't like beer, any suggestions? It needs to impart enough, uh, essence to do the job though.

DrBoost wrote:

4cylndrfury wrote:

DrBoost wrote: I'd call the authorities, then anytime I'm in the garage there'd be an open pan with coolant in it, "because I'm servicing my coolant system". When the dog comes by I'd simply leave to go to a safe place. If the dog drinks the anti-freeze after chasing my out of my garage then..... I'm a dog lover, but in a situation like this, I'm going to kill the dog before it hurts someone. This way is less likely to get you in hot water then shooting it.

HEY BOOST, YOURE A FU_KING DICK!!!. END OF STORY. MAYBE THE DOG SHOULD BE PUT DOWN, BUT THIS IS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF ASS-HOLERY THATS EVER GRACED THIS FINE FORUM. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE ULCERS THAT DEVELOP IN A GLYCOL POISONED ANIMALS MOUTH? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN AN EMACIATED AND DYING ANIMAL WHO CANNOT EAT BECAUSE THEIR MOUTH AND THROAT ARE SWOLLEN BEYOND REPAIR? You are a heartless bastard, and Id force feed you some of that antifreeze if I were within arms length of you right now. Euthanizing a problem dog is already a tough decision to make, poisoning one and leaving it to a horrifically painful and pitiful death is another thing altogether. Im not a fan of internet tough guys, but seriously, youve just sent me right over the edge...

Relax man. I think you should get to know me before you wip out your cyber-cock. I mentioned that because, at the time I did have some coolant in my garage (open container, top of mind at the moment) and someone mentioned being confronted by a dog in his garage. If I'm in my garage (again, open coolant at the time) and a dog confronted me in my garage I'm going to get out of there (I can safely do that with my layout if the dog is in the garage door opening). If the dog drinks the poisen, so be it! My sugestion to set it out or something like that, was partially in jest. No, I've never seen the effects of anti-freeze poisoning. Have you ever WATCHED as a little kid, about 3 was mauled by 2 dogs? Have you every been there, beating one of the dogs with a shovel while it is shaking said 3-year old boy like a rag doll? Have you every been bitten by the othe dog while you tried to save the little boy? Have you had to live with the after-effect of such a mauling? Have you ever laid awake at night wishing someone (animal control, cops, owners, somebody) had done something so that little boy wouldn't have to explain his scarred face for the rest of his life? Would I set poison out to kill a problem dog? No. I dont' have a gun, 'cept a break-barrel air-rifle, so shooting isn't an option. If a dog was on my property and acting in a threatening manner I would call the animal cops the first time. The second time I'd step it up a notch. I would incapacitate the dog with anything on hand without hesitation. I have kids, my neighbors have kids and I put them above a dog or a dog owner. I make no apologies for that.

I was the little boy (I was 6 though, not 3). It was me who wandered into their territory - playing with neighborhood kids, and the frisbee went into the neighbors yard. I got a pretty good number of stitches in my leg. A lot of blood - both mine, and the dogs when the owner went at them with an axe handle to get him off my leg. The scar is now surprisingly small, but the effects arent.

Even still, I love dogs, and dont blame the animal who bit me one bit. It was my fault (maybe my folks) that I was attacked.

Granted, the roles were switched - I was in his yard, not he in mine - but I still would NEVER have wished that kind of retribution be brought onto that animal.

So yeah, I went off the deep end - I shouldve worn my big boy pants when posting earlier, and kept it civil. To that end, I apologize to Boost and Benz, and the entire board. Civility and tolerance are mainstays on this board. Cursing and Internet-tough guying have no place here. My language was not only a poor reflection of myself, but on the board, and the mag. Please accept my sincerest apologies.

But I will defend my statement that anyone who knowingly uses glycol to poison another living thing is a heartless, soul-less brute, who deserves the same as they dish out. The images of the bloody, drooling, ulcerous mouths, and emaciated frames, the pathetic whimpers and hoarse, rasping pleas for help coming out of our cats who got into the antifreeze my dad accidentally left out are just as disturbing if not worse than my memories of my calf ripped and bloody, and the dog twitching and unconscious. Anyone who visits that upon another living thing deserves it done to them.

4cylndrfury wrote: I apologize to Boost and Benz, and the entire board.

'nuff said. We've talked here (well, posted I guess) lots and I have respect for you. You were fired up and it hit you personally.
I hope I've made it clear (in my last post, not the first one) that I'd not intentionally leave glycol out to kill an animal on purpose.

I think we should call ourselves the Febreeze Brothers, cuz we just got a fresh start.

lol@febreeze - yes, all good on my end

Wow... That whole thing right there is what keeps me on this board. You guys had a quick issue, and resolved it just as quickly. Damn, I love this board.

Back to the discussion...

I was going to say the same thing. That's the classiest apology and response I've seen in a LONG time.

The local wannabe rappers all have mixed breed dogs in my 'hood. Once their owners get evicted the dogs get turned out. Some are mean, some are just plain scared (only one scared so far anyway). We had a few make a pack and I started popping them with BBs when they came in my yard. One pump usually did the trick. I've already warned my wife that I consider my .22 pistol a form of animal control in the right situation. There is enough gunfire in the area anyway so I'm not worried about getting fined (SSS). If I ever see a loose dog growl at my family or anyone else, it is game over.

DrBoost wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote:

DrBoost wrote: Relax man. I think you should get to know me before you wip out your cyber-cock.

Maybe that's the answer....in a manner of speaking. You have to think like a dog. They are invading your territory because you haven't marked it yet. So you have to mark your territory, just like a dog. Start out with a 12 pack of beer and........

Consider it done. But, I don't like beer, any suggestions? It needs to impart enough, uh, essence to do the job though.

DrBoost wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote:

DrBoost wrote: Relax man. I think you should get to know me before you wip out your cyber-cock.

Maybe that's the answer....in a manner of speaking. You have to think like a dog. They are invading your territory because you haven't marked it yet. So you have to mark your territory, just like a dog. Start out with a 12 pack of beer and........

Consider it done. But, I don't like beer, any suggestions? It needs to impart enough, uh, essence to do the job though.

DrBoost wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote:

DrBoost wrote: Relax man. I think you should get to know me before you wip out your cyber-cock.

Maybe that's the answer....in a manner of speaking. You have to think like a dog. They are invading your territory because you haven't marked it yet. So you have to mark your territory, just like a dog. Start out with a 12 pack of beer and........

Consider it done. But, I don't like beer, any suggestions? It needs to impart enough, uh, essence to do the job though.

I'll suggest a gallon of iced tea (Crystal Light is my favorite) and as much asparagus as you can cram down. That'll do it.

DrBoost wrote: I would try to avoid anything violent at first (as I said in another post) but I'm not giving a dog many chances to hurt my kids.

I agree 100%.

Thanks to all for returning this board to civility. You guys rock!

4cylndrfury wrote: lol@febreeze - yes, all good on my end

Have you ever seen "The Other Guys"? If not, I highly recommend it.

In reply to Giant Purple Snorklewacker:

You may have missed the words "gun cabinet" in my post.

I've only had one problem with a aggressive dog in my yard. Poor thing made the mistake of charging me while I was digging a hole to plant a tree. I'm not sure what made a louder sound, the shovel or the dog as he ran yelping down the street. Never saw him again. If animal control is anything like it was at my old house, it's probably a waste of time. Call them anyways, and keep a shovel handy.

stroker wrote: In reply to Giant Purple Snorklewacker: You may have missed the words "gun cabinet" in my post.

Pffft. I overlooked it on purpose.

DrBoost wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote:

DrBoost wrote: Relax man. I think you should get to know me before you wip out your cyber-cock.

Maybe that's the answer....in a manner of speaking. You have to think like a dog. They are invading your territory because you haven't marked it yet. So you have to mark your territory, just like a dog. Start out with a 12 pack of beer and........

Consider it done. But, I don't like beer, any suggestions? It needs to impart enough, uh, essence to do the job though.

Mt. Dew always works for me. I can get a 1.5L bottle for a buck around here at a place that regularly overcharges, so it's cheap, too.

DILYSI Dave wrote:

Joe Gearin wrote: Animal Control is the answer. Killing or poisoning a dog that has only barked at you is not acceptable. Killing your neighbors dog is a great way to start a Hatfield / McCoy type relationship with those that live around you. Or worse.....your kid could drink that shiny sweet green fluid you put out for the dog. My dog is an escape artist. He occasionally jumps the fence, or otherwise gets out of my yard. He is known to bark, but isn't vicious, and has never snapped, or bit anyone. Although I try to keep him contained, he does occasionally get loose. Should he be killed? I'd have a big problem with that. If some sick bastard poisoned him.......that sicko had better hope I never found him. Jail time would be worth it. Call the cops, or animal control. There are people who get paid to deal with the problem you are experiencing. Killing your neighbor's family pet is a great way to insure further violence on you and your family. Call animal control. They will take the dogs away, or make it clear to the owner that this is not acceptable behavior.

Joe G, Voice of reason.

This. You start killing peoples pet you may run into an angry owner that retaliates and doesn't care what the consequences are.

I'm not normally a copy and past kinda guy, but I just read this on the book of faces, and figured it was a relevant view of the other side...

Remembering Enzo Have you ever seen a dog that smiled? That is how our Enzo was. He came into our lives unexpectedly. We always joked that "he found us" because we came home from work one Saturday in September 2010, and there he was. He never spent a night anywhere else. Adapting to our new life with Enzo wasn't easy, as we had never o...wned a dog before. After a brief period of being an "outside dog" we introduced him into our home where he became our companion and best friend. We taught him how to walk on a leash, sit, shake, and fetch. He taught us about what it is to love unconditionally. Enzo was the gentlest dog you could ever hope to meet. He loved to play with our cats, letting them boss him around and groom him at nighttime. He was friendly to everyone he met and always had a great time playing with our friend's dogs when they came to visit. Unfortunately, our time with Enzo was cut short. He left our lives traumatically on New Year's Day in a turn of events that went from an accident to a tragedy. Enzo was not supposed to be outside that day. My husband Nick was outside working on his car and Enzo jumped against our glass storm door, accidently popping it open and running outside. In the short time he was outside, enjoying the beautiful weather, he ran across property lines (how was he supposed to know he couldn't go over there?) and ended up in the yard of our neighbor two doors down. He was then shot three times with a shotgun which resulted in his death. When Nick and I heard the first shot, we panicked. The second and third shot were in quick succession. After the final gunshot we heard a man cheer "whoohoo!" What the man did next was unthinkable. He drug Enzo's body out of the front yard, and while Nick was calling for help from the Sheriff, Enzo's body was loaded onto a golf cart which was then seen heading across the road and into the woods behind the city's water treatment plant which is located at the end of our road. By the time the Sheriff arrived, the man who shot our Enzo had returned to the house and started pouring water on the blood spots in his yard trying to wash away the evidence. His mother was seen out in the yard collecting the shotgun shells. Other people inside the house witnessed what happened and did nothing. When approached by the Sheriff, this man claimed Enzo had growled (growled...not bit, jumped, scratched, or attacked in any way) at his son and that is why he shot Enzo. The Sheriff then had to accompany Nick into the woods to look for Enzo's body. The man claimed he had taken him into the woods and buried him, but in actuality he was carelessly dumped on a path deep in the woods. He also claimed he only shot one warning shot and then one shot in the stomach to kill...but our dog clearly has three seperate gunshot wounds, including one in the head at close range. When we asked the Sheriff what could be done, he said he didn't really know if anything could be done since it was our word versus our neighbor's. The Sheriff left us feeling as if nothing was going to be done to help us and get justice for our sweet pet. Today, January 3, I spent my entire morning talking to one person after another trying to find out what could be done. I knew something had to be possible. Finally, I was able to get some help and we will be able to face the man who shot Enzo in court. It should not have been so hard to get someone to recognize that this was indeed animal cruelty.The Sheriff who responded should have done more in our opinion, and Animal Control should have been more willing to help. Both of those people had an opportunity to make a difference but they didn't. I should not have had to work so hard to get someone to agree to let us file animal cruelty charges. Ultimately, the decision on whether he will get convicted of animal cruelty will be up to a Judge after hearing both of our stories. This is our ONLY hope of getting some justice for Enzo. He was an innocent dog who never harmed anyone a day in his life. I hope that after our court date we will have some positive news to post. I feel as if we are not the only ones who have had to suffer a horrible tragedy like this. If there are others out there who have had to deal with this, please share our page and story with them. They were probably left feeling as hopeless as we are and I want them to know they are not alone. To those of you who may have read this and think it is our fault that this happened to us because we "let" our dog get outside and "let" him run over to the yard where he was killed...I want you to know we have already felt that guilt ourselves, and trust me when I say we have talked about the "what ifs" a million times. It doesn't change the fact that what happened was murder. If Enzo was causing a problem, a simple phone call would have solved it...to us, the Sheriff, or Animal Control. The violent reaction of this man was completely unwarranted. Furthermore, if he truly felt like he was in immediate danger and thought he acted in the only way possible to save his son's life, why try to cover up what he did? Why wouldn't he take the appropriate actions afterwards? Only a GUILTY person who knows they did something wrong would want to hide it! Thanks to everyone who took the time to read and share our story. Please keep us in your thoughts as we await the day we find out if there will be justice for Enzo! Even if you never met Enzo, please Like this page in memory of him and other dogs like him who have fallen victim to senseless acts of animal cruelty.

Animal control, and start carrying a squirt gun around with a water/amonia mix in it until the problem is resolved. Works splendidly for deterring dogs.