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BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
12/22/14 12:32 p.m.

I'm talking to a company down in LA about a job opportunity and figured as this seems to be progressing nicely, I better figure out a bit about living down there.

The company is in Culver City and we already scared ourselves silly with the housing costs down there. Like a double garage on a beach towel sized lot 20 miles away, with a bitty house attached, yours for "only" 750 large ones. So aside from the rather, err, robust cost of living, anything else I need to know?

I'm expecting a cool car scene with lots of rust free oldish cars available - at least the LA/OC CL seems to further that fantasy - plus I probably don't want a Honda 'cos it'll get stolen three times a day.

What else do I need to know about?

Will
Will SuperDork
12/22/14 12:57 p.m.

CARB visual smog inspection rules. Basically, if you have a car new enough to require smog testing, the test facility is supposed to fail you if you have parts that don't look original if they don't have a CARB sticker. Doesn't matter how your car does on the tailpipe emissions. A simple cone air filter can be grounds for failure.

captdownshift
captdownshift GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/22/14 1:03 p.m.

On Saturday's in Irvine there's this really cool oh wait...

ultraclyde
ultraclyde SuperDork
12/22/14 1:06 p.m.

Don't.

Okay, no real help or personal experience other than the one time I was there I could not WAIT to leave.

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 UltimaDork
12/22/14 1:21 p.m.

Culver City? Is the job doing internet security for Sony Pictures? They're in Culver City and I bet they are hiring.

Duke
Duke UltimaDork
12/22/14 1:52 p.m.
ultraclyde wrote: Don't.

There's a reason Matt Groening's other comic is called "Life In Hell". But still, if it's an industry that is pretty much only located in that region, you don't have a lot of choice. Good luck either way.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess MegaDork
12/22/14 1:59 p.m.

I suggest Some Place Else. I left in '79 and would not move back for anything.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
12/22/14 2:08 p.m.

Not the movie industry, no. I work in an industry that's mainly concentrated in NYC and Chicago with some, but not that many opportunities on the West Coast. I kinda got lucky finding a job up here in this industry but it might be time to move on.

For some reason, I kinda prefer sunshine and rust free cars over the other two places, hence my interest in that role in LA.

PHeller
PHeller PowerDork
12/22/14 2:10 p.m.

Would not unless two things:

1) massive pay increase to cover cost of living expenses. 2) could live within walking/riding distance of work because commuting sucks in LA.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
12/22/14 2:14 p.m.

1) goes without saying, the problem is 2) as it's hard to find a house with enough garage space close enough. Plus, my wife doesn't like to be at sea level, having grown up in Florida.

The company I'm talking to is actually one where 1) is a distinct possibility. Not like the movie industry where they're able to get away with half the jobs being unpaid internships.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess MegaDork
12/22/14 2:23 p.m.

Man, Chi-town, NYC or L.A.? That's a though choice. If I had that choice, I think I would find another line of work. If I HAD to, I suppose L.A. is the least of those three suck-villes. I have lived in one and visited the other two. At least the weather is nice, if you're not smogged-in. The L.A. job would have to pay enough to afford a second house in Free America that you could go visit regularly to see your cars and guns.

tuna55
tuna55 UltimaDork
12/22/14 2:25 p.m.
ultraclyde wrote: Don't. Okay, no real help or personal experience other than the one time I was there I could not WAIT to leave.

This, but I had to go twice. I still shudder.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
12/22/14 2:26 p.m.

There is someone else on here that just moved there (he is pretty much right in the middle of downtown, fashion district if I remember correctly). Hopefully he can give you some perspective (he has a motorcycle in his avatar).

I hope you don't like weather swings, because they really don't happen here. 50 is viscous cold, 95 is about as hot as it gets in the LA basin (the closer to the ocean, the more dampened that gets), and of course almost no humidity. I am not sure, but I don't think Culver City is the greatest area. I am not saying it is bad, but just that it will have the "city" aspects that you will have to deal with e.g. having a nice Honda may result in a very good chance you car will get stolen, depends where you are specifically of course.

Culver City should have decent access to the light rail system (yes there is one) so that is very nice plus (can be MUCH nicer then driving)

Don't be too intimidated by those that do not live in LA. They tend to act like the houses here are so expensive because people here just LOVE to pay extreme prices for houses! It's an open market, there is a REASON why houses are so expensive.

If you have lived in a big city, it will not be that different. If you are coming from a small town / rural area, you will be in for a shock (as with any large city).

The urban area around LA is HUGE. Even without traffic it would take a few hours to drive across it. Any traffic, oh boy! You will learn about that! You will learn to work around it though. In Culver City, you are kind of in the middle of it, but the good thing about that is that you are also central to a LOT of stuff. The city is also very diverse, especially in the main city area. You can find almost all variety of foods / cultures there. You won't be able to (and like won't want to) walk to a lot of places, but a scooter will get to a LOT of interesting places without too much difficulty.

With the right attitude (assuming you can get into a decent place) you could really enjoy it. If not, or if you really like rural living, you will likely hate it.

Traffic, did I mention traffic? Learn the patterns, learn what to avoid, don't think you will get anywhere fast, you will be fine.

Oh, also Culver City is pretty close to LAX. This means pretty much the easiest access to flights to anywhere in the world.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
12/22/14 2:42 p.m.

Used to live in London, so yeah, I kinda know what living in a big European city is like. Including the mental traffic. I did actually move outside of London after about 7 years, but then again there is much better public transport over there than is normal out here.

I'm also aware that this is most likely the best urban assault weapon in a big town:

I really haven't made up my mind yet if I want to move from here or not - we have a pretty nice house that's cheap enough so I can deal with a drop income if necessary, we're on an acre with enough space left to build a shop and it's quiet out here. It's just a tad dead from a motorsports perspective and we are a pretty long way from anywhere.

OTOH from a career point of view there isn't much scope for growth.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
12/22/14 2:47 p.m.
Dr. Hess wrote: Man, Chi-town, NYC or L.A.? That's a though choice. If I had that choice, I think I would find another line of work. If I _HAD_ to, I suppose L.A. is the least of those three suck-villes. I have lived in one and visited the other two. At least the weather is nice, if you're not smogged-in. The L.A. job would have to pay enough to afford a second house in Free America that you could go visit regularly to see your cars and guns.

Yeah, you're kinda describing why the idea to go back to freelancing and then working away from home for a few months at a time has entered my mind again. LA has the advantage that it's about 1.5h by plane from here so depending on how we want to play this.

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 UltimaDork
12/22/14 3:04 p.m.

You mention finding a place with enough garage space. You may want to alter that to being happy to just find dedicated parking spots.

The comment about being a minimum of 2 hours to get "out of the city" is very true from that location, but the ocean is very close. The comment about proximity to LAX is true but also very close to Marina del Rey. If you want leads to doing some sailboat racing aboard other people's boats in MdR, let me know.

Joe Gearin
Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
12/22/14 3:17 p.m.

Here's my take on L.A. (never lived there- visited 15 times or more) ---- It's an amazing place, with fantastic destinations--- all of which are a pain in the ass to get to. If possible, move within 5 miles or so from work---I can see enjoying L.A. if you didn't have to fight traffic daily. There are a ton of great roads, fun outdoors stuff, and great weather. You can also "split lanes" legally on motorcycles in traffic---- yes it seems insane, and will probably shorten your life-- but it's legal! Yes, the cost of living is obscene, most people are less than friendly, and crime is prevalent. (it is a big city)

However, the car culture is massive-- so there is always something fun automotive-related going on. Everyplace is what you make of it, and there is a lot of good in that area to focus on--- I'm sure you could carve out a nice living there.

That said---- I also love Chicago, and have a ton of respect for NY. And I'm pretty sure you can live in any of those places without owning a second home for your cars or guns. Plenty of hunters and car enthusiasts in NY and IL.

captdownshift
captdownshift GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/22/14 3:24 p.m.

I've always marveled at how a place with such terrible traffic could foster such a love of cars as I'd expect the opposite.

yupididit
yupididit Reader
12/22/14 3:32 p.m.

I moved from VA to just outside of LA 9 months ago.

Wow, people are rude drivers here. And I refuse to ride a motorcycle here. No berkeleying way. Another thing is that house cost are pretty high but not THAT bad. The price of energy and resources are what I don't like. I think that's the only sticker shock for me (Besides DMV). As far as traffic, it can be manageable but I come from driving in the capital beltway so maybe I'm a bit patient.

I will say though, people are pretentious here so don't be shocked about the way people think they have to act.

And F the smog/CARB and DMV. I'm so glad I don't have to smog anything here or register anything with the California DMV. If you try to register an out of state car with the DMV here then prepare to just hand over all of your monies. I've never seen a state nickel and dime you out of everything you earn.

Now on a positive note. Whenever I'm on CL I find at least 15 cars I want to buy. Finding a rust free affordable project here is easier than anywhere else. I don't know how I'm not going broke here. And Friday evenings, Saturdays, and Sundays if you go for a cruise you're likely to find lots of car porn tooting about the streets.

There is a lot to do with family too. Especially if you want to get away from the hustle of LA. You are only a few hours from everything.

That said, I cant wait to leave!

Edit: Oh and I had to leave almost all my guns in Virginia. Check their DOJ list to see whats allowed before you think about bringing one in.

curtis73
curtis73 GRM+ Memberand UberDork
12/22/14 6:53 p.m.

I lived there for 6 years. Worked in the film/TV/VO industry. I also worked for a contractor. Needless to say, I was all over town during rush hour and never knew where my next day would take me.

If I could afford it I would still be living there. I LOVED los angeles.

My advice is to not get caught up in the traffic BS. Yes, its terrible. It will always be terrible. But don't think that you have to live 3 blocks from work just to survive and get to work on time. I lived in Pasadena and worked down by the airport for two years. The commute had some icky parts but also had some free-flowing points. I love driving and it was kind of a new puzzle to solve every morning. Just save plenty of time. Another thing that the LA lifestyle tends to afford is the fact that employers completely understand that traffic sucks, so if you're late once or twice a week chances are no one will even notice. Its just like your current position. If you're late three times a year, the boss might talk to you about it. In LA, that threshold is just a little more tolerant. My point in saying that is to take advantage of some of the awesome neighborhoods that aren't adjacent to Culver City. Look East. Anything to the west is going to be even more expensive. As you get east of downtown proper, the neighborhoods are more spacious. There are actual parking lots for stores instead of paid valet garages like you find downtown and to the west.

I lived in Lincoln Heights for a long time. Its getting a bit better, but it is super ghetto. Its one step away from East LA. However, Glendale is charming, its up against the mountains, and Burbank is a lovely 2-mile drive with tons of great shopping and incredible auto services/culture. Silver Lake is kitchy and hipster, but has tons of nightlife and great dive bars/restaurants. Pasadena and Eagle Rock are also very lovely, but being in the hills they are a little pricier.

The Valley will save you a ton of money, but you'll be pretty much forced to use the 101 and 405 which can both be really bad. Any of the other freeways have options, so if one gets an accident or clogged up, people can choose another way. If you're coming over the 405 from the valley and there is an accident, you just wait. Normally, its not a terrible commute, but that once a week idiot can really ruin your day.

Its been about 6 years since I lived there, but check out Highland Park. You would be using the 110 and the 10 to get to Culver, but when I was there, the 110 stayed pretty open until downtown, so despite Highland Park being an additional 4 miles away, it usually isn't trafficky. When I was there, Highland Park was a lot like Silver Lake but one step more ghetto-y but it was rapidly improving. Great restaurants, good nightlife, still a few areas with bars in the windows. Up to the northwest of Highland Park is an awesome new housing area that very much has the feel of Hollywood Hills at half the cost.

There is also an area to consider for condos (if you don't need a yard) in BeverWil. Its the area just west of downtown between Beverly and Wilshire. Kinda Rosedale/Mid City. That would put you close to Culver, but you'll pay for it.

I really love LA. I loved it so much that I even loved the traffic and the smog. The weather can't be beat, the diversity of cuisines and cultures is never ending, and (despite what people say) there are a crap-ton of awesome people in LA. Just avoid the richy-riches with silver spoons and hang out in the cool neighborhoods.

curtis73
curtis73 GRM+ Memberand UberDork
12/22/14 6:55 p.m.

Oh... and really don't worry about smog laws and cars. Its only every two years and its a lot more lenient than people think. There are guys in the Impala SS club out there making 450 hp from their LT1s and with careful tuning they pass smog every time. I only ever failed once with 13 cars in 6 years out there and it was because a leaking injector was quadrupling my HC emissions. The max allowable levels of HC, NOx, and CO are pretty forgiving. If you don't pass, its because something is really out of whack.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy PowerDork
12/22/14 7:33 p.m.

I love the LA area.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
12/22/14 7:51 p.m.

In reply to curtis73:

Thanks for your insights.

Condos are out unless my wife stays up here and I'll fly back and forth every weekend. Actually, I doubt she'd want to stay up here as she's had a dream of going to cooking school for a while and found a pretty highly rated and affordable one in Culver City.

One good thing about my job is that in my experience, the hours tend to be pretty flexible if you're producing. Most software developers are not exactly what you call morning people so in a lot of places, nobody will complain if you're not at your desk at 9am.

In reply to JohnRW1621:

Being able to afford a place that has at least a double garage is non negotiable. My wife will not tolerate having her car outside and I need have a place to wrench and park my nicer vehicle. Plus, I hate parking motorcycles outside as they tend to go walkies if you do tht.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 PowerDork
12/22/14 8:14 p.m.

LA? Pretty sure that's in California. That's all you need to know. Don't do it!

skierd
skierd SuperDork
12/22/14 8:33 p.m.

One thing I finally realized on my last visit to LA is you can't really think of LA as a single city because it's not, it's a region of cities with a bunch of different personalities. It's a big ass region with a LOT of people and towns and things to do...

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