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ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
6/28/09 8:12 a.m.

My wife has a masters in early childhood education, a certificate from the AMI (Association Montessori Internationale), and has been working with children since she was 12. She also has an extensive history, despite being only 28, of working with kids with many types of learning disabilities and several other things such as downs.. She's also been an expert witness at a few hearings for kids with special needs, for example when the school district dosen't want to pay for the extra help a child needs.

Soooo... What the hell does that all mean.

Here's it in a nutshell, as being learned from her. I won't pass judgment on anyones parenting style... Thats what they do in the teachers lounge... HA!

  1. Be present and active in your child's life
  2. If your spouse says something(reprimands the child) don't contradict your spouse in front of the child. Doing so is very bad
  3. If the child screws up... Have consequences and follow through with them.
  4. It takes work people...
  5. Rules.. Have rules, Children without boundaries very bad....
Chris_V
Chris_V SuperDork
6/28/09 8:56 a.m.
xd wrote: I hate going out to eat now because of screaming kids who are waiting on the prerequisite count of 3 for the 5th time to stop screaming.

Yeah, if the consistent rule in punishment is the 5th time they get a swat, they WILL do whatever it is 4 times before stopping. Maybe not a problem for you at home, but it can be a problem when at a restaurant or store, when you don't want them to act up at all, much less 4 times before they get punished.

No need for abuse, but punishment should be swift and certain.

Capt Slow
Capt Slow Reader
6/28/09 9:13 a.m.

Consistency is the key.

Even is you spank your children you need to be consistent about it. inconsistent application of consequences for bad behavior is a recipe for bad behavior. Of my daughters friends, the most unruly of them has a parent who is horribly inconsistent in the way she deals with her child. The child knows that if she keeps throwing a fit mom will eventually cave in.

Needless to say, she doesn't get invited over much.

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro Reader
6/28/09 9:43 a.m.

Throwing a fit is easy to deal with, just ask my father.

I'm sure I'm not the only one familiar with the "Do you want something to cry about?" method.

Works like a charm.

Shawn

walterj
walterj Dork
6/28/09 9:50 a.m.
4cylndrfury wrote: + walterj...you sound like an idiot...Im just saying...

Now you sound like my wife :) I am often more blunt than I ought to be.

Perhaps what I should have said was: If you do not have experience raising children you have no credibility giving advice on how to deal with situations where children need to be corrected. Even if you are right - it comes off wrong much in the same way someone giving advice on how to win a fist fight, having never been in one themseves would.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury HalfDork
6/28/09 10:39 a.m.
walterj wrote:
4cylndrfury wrote: + walterj...you sound like an idiot...Im just saying...
Now you sound like my wife :) I am often more blunt than I ought to be. Perhaps what I should have said was: If you do not have experience raising children you have no credibility giving advice on how to deal with situations where children need to be corrected. Even if you are right - it comes off wrong much in the same way someone giving advice on how to win a fist fight, having never been in one themseves would.

fair enough...I often sound holier than thou, and thats truly not how I feel. Its just been a bad morning 1st day back after 10 off: 247 new emails in the inbox, a desk that was mucked with by practical jokers, getting up at 6am after sleeping in until whenever for the past week, and being broke from a trip to pigeon forge all added up to mega-attitude this morning.

coffee in me, inbox cleaned out, and tape removed from EVERYTHING, now Im feeling a bit better

fastasleep
fastasleep Reader
6/28/09 10:54 a.m.

walterj; YOU are that guy. YOU STFU.

-Les

walterj
walterj Dork
6/28/09 11:57 a.m.
fastasleep wrote: walterj; YOU are that guy. YOU STFU. -Les

Les... you don't get to be an UltraDork by shutting TF up and I've a fair amount of blabbering yet to go to get there. Besides, I can't be THAT guy (at least in this thread) as I actually have well behaved kids who respect other people's stuff.

Brust
Brust Reader
6/28/09 2:51 p.m.

I don't think you ever had to have kids to know good parenting when you see it. We all were kids once. Just like the best leaders start as the best followers. The best batting coaches weren't always the best batters (yada yada yada). No, you don't know the constant pain until you've been there, but you can definitely tell when someone's given up, or not fulfilling their obligations.

We have this columnist (national I think) in our paper once a week who's pretty cool: http://www.rosemond.com/

Advocates a return to 50's style parenting. No BS molly coddling. Child misbehaves, smack 'em, then take ALL their E36 M3 out of their room for a week. Again? 1 Month. He calls it removing them from the garden of Eden.

Anyway, Poopshovel's first post said it best to me: Smack 'em, then explain why you did it. Find and use your daddy voice. Don't negotiate. Don't argue. For the first ten years you are ALWAYS right, whether you are or not.

Two kids (6 and 2) and constantly complimented on what good kids they are. We'll see how they end up.

captain_napalm
captain_napalm New Reader
6/28/09 3:09 p.m.
aussiesmg wrote: The actual child is a factor in this

Yep, depends on the child. Some you can get your point across with a look, or a tone of voice. Me, I was whooped 9 ways till Sunday.

JFX001
JFX001 Dork
6/28/09 3:18 p.m.

My Children were unruly....once.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury HalfDork
6/28/09 3:22 p.m.

lol ha ha yeah, we were only told once that dad wasnt happy with a particular decision we made...he only ever had to tell us once, after that, we never did whatever it was dad got upset at again

carguy123
carguy123 Dork
6/28/09 3:46 p.m.
4cylndrfury wrote: lol ha ha yeah, we were only told once that dad wasnt happy with a particular decision we made...he only ever had to tell us once, after that, we never did whatever it was dad got upset at again

And why was that?

Probably because your Dad smacked you once, or maybe more than once, and you didn't want to get smacked again.

Negative reinforcement is necessary. Positive reinforcement is also necessary.

The continued negative reinforcement when time allows should be whatever works. With some kids it's a cross look, others a loss of allowance, some a bigger stick. Every kid is different and the punishment should fit the kid.

When time doesn't allow a considered smack on the back side is good on the spot reinforcment since many times you don't have time to sit there and reason with them, you need an immediate end to the problem.

And you don't need to be a parent to spot inappropriate behavior.

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro Reader
6/28/09 5:00 p.m.

Red Forman should be put in charge of a parenting course.

Shawn

Kramer
Kramer Reader
6/28/09 6:43 p.m.

Kate Gosselin may be a bad wife, but I think she's a good parent.

Rules, boundaries and routine.

fastasleep
fastasleep Reader
6/28/09 9:17 p.m.
walterj wrote:
fastasleep wrote: walterj; YOU are that guy. YOU STFU. -Les
Les... you don't get to be an UltraDork by shutting TF up and I've a fair amount of blabbering yet to go to get there. Besides, I can't be THAT guy (at least in this thread) as I actually have well behaved kids who respect other people's stuff.

And I want you to know that I believe you................

joey48442
joey48442 SuperDork
6/28/09 11:56 p.m.
walterj wrote:
4cylndrfury wrote: + walterj...you sound like an idiot...Im just saying...
Now you sound like my wife :) I am often more blunt than I ought to be. Perhaps what I should have said was: If you do not have experience raising children you have no credibility giving advice on how to deal with situations where children need to be corrected. Even if you are right - it comes off wrong much in the same way someone giving advice on how to win a fist fight, having never been in one themseves would.

Just because I was smart enough to keep it bagged up and no one got pregnant, doesnt mean I cant tell when someones being an shiny happy person. I don't know the best method to make a little brat behave, but they need to. Ive offered to knickname someones kid B.C. before. When she asked me what B.C. meant, I responded birth control. I thought that was very funny, and thought she would laugh...But she didn't.

Joey

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury HalfDork
6/29/09 6:26 a.m.
joey48442 wrote:
walterj wrote:
4cylndrfury wrote: + walterj...you sound like an idiot...Im just saying...
Now you sound like my wife :) I am often more blunt than I ought to be. Perhaps what I should have said was: If you do not have experience raising children you have no credibility giving advice on how to deal with situations where children need to be corrected. Even if you are right - it comes off wrong much in the same way someone giving advice on how to win a fist fight, having never been in one themseves would.
Just because I was smart enough to keep it bagged up and no one got pregnant, doesnt mean I cant tell when someones being an shiny happy person. I don't know the best method to make a little brat behave, but they need to. Ive offered to knickname someones kid B.C. before. When she asked me what B.C. meant, I responded birth control. I thought that was very funny, and thought she would laugh...But she didn't. Joey

that is funny, OPK (Other Peoples Kids) are far more effective contraception than anything bought over the counter...just go to to chuck e cheese for a nephews Bday, youll swear an oath of celibacy before the grease on the pizza cools into wax

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro Reader
6/29/09 9:55 a.m.

One of the guys at work has 12 kids.

For his b-day, a couple guys stole a sign from along the highway for him.

It says "Pullout"

Shawn

sachilles
sachilles Reader
6/29/09 10:27 a.m.
ignorant wrote: 1. Be present and active in your child's life 2. If your spouse says something(reprimands the child) don't contradict your spouse in front of the child. Doing so is very bad 3. If the child screws up... Have consequences and follow through with them. 4. It takes work people... 5. Rules.. Have rules, Children without boundaries very bad....

I'd agree with all that. Sadly I've watched enough of that Super Nanny show to know that "follow through" on punishment is more important than the punishment itself. Apathy is what creates the little demon spawn.

vladha
vladha New Reader
6/29/09 11:43 a.m.

I found most of the above pretty comical, especially the "perfect kids" syndrome. No child behaves perfectly, perfectly all the time. If they do, it's probably because they're scared to death of the consequences... it's not because they understand what's going on or why they're behavior is unacceptable. Sure, as they get older, explanations go hand and hand with the consequences. They are not "little" adults, and taking the time to explain why they shouldn't do something is a waste of time, especially for the really young ones. As they get older, that gets easier.

How you behave is a good indicator of how your children will behave. If you're loud, brash, sarcastic, and bs a lot... guess what, you're children will mimic you. Don't be surprised when your kids won't listen. If you're calm, concise, and temperate in your behavior... you're kids will follow.

I have 3 kids who are generally pretty active and they express themselves in a variety of ways. My oldest(he's 9) used to give the death howl when we went grocery shopping. After the first time, we decided that 1) one of us stayed at home with him while the other shopped or 2) both of us went to the store and one would take the death screaming child outside. I guess I could have explained to him why he shouldn't do the screaming and then spanked him on the butt. But, at 6 months, kind of foolish.

As far as one of my children acting up in public... depends on the situation. Had one of my kids decided to lick a window(they've done "things" before, if not exactly this) I would have asked an employee for paper towels and some windex and had said child clean up the mess. They all now know that they are responsible for their actions, at home and in public places, i.e. you make a mess or take something out, you clean or put away the items. On another note, it is essential that you show the child how to wipe and clean and how to properly take care of items. Standing there and yelling at them to "clean it up or else" is pretty ignorant, and you're just blowing off steam and generally making a bigger ass of yourself than any "damage" your child did.

We try to keep our kids occupied. When they get bored, they try to relieve said boredom. We bring coloring books, word puzzles, etc... where ever we go. We even have ipod shuffles for them. None of these "distractions" last for long, so we bring a variety of items. At a family restaurant, the kids don't "act up", but they do tend to giggle a lot. If you don't like the sound of children, at a family restaurant, go the heck to Hooters. My kids are not loud, but they like to talk, chatter and giggle about their day or other things. When they were even younger, if they were too loud, and being that they're too young to respond to some long winded explanation about why they shouldn't behave that way, they were removed from the premises until they calmed down. We don't take the kids, even now, to places where only adults congregate. And the only movies they go to are kids' movies, where all the kids have a chance to enjoy the movie on their terms, i.e. laugh out loud, semi-constant giggling, sitting in the very front row... but never allowed to run all over the place.

I don't "hit" my kids, but in public, they get the "tap". It's typically with 1 or 2 fingers laid on any reachable body part. They've learned that it just means "stay focused" we're in public and don't behave this way. Do they get spanked, yes. With a quick explanation and never while I'm angry, but obviously not waiting till an hour later.

Being consistent is definitely key. I keep in mind that something that worked when they were 4, doesn't work now. Are my kids "perfect"? No, and neither am I. I try to allow my kids to test their boundaries, and stay within mine. It can be a challenge, but my kids are growing and so am I.

If you don't have kids, using yourself(as you remember from being one), friends kids, siblings kids, tv shows, etc.... doesn't count. But, you won't know that until you get from there to here.

Mark

carguy123
carguy123 Dork
6/29/09 11:59 a.m.

Mark I see your Barney avatar. Is that your kid finally getting to see the purple guy?

My son played Shawn on the show for 5 seasons so I saw a lot of those scenes

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
6/29/09 12:35 p.m.

I was raised to respect other people's property and person. My dad would get the maddest if I did something which showed disrespect and this was one of the 2 sure way to get a spanking; the other was to do something which endangered myself or others. I always knew why I was getting a spanking, too. I did not get a whole lot of spankings, in fact there were situations where I didn't get one where it was pretty much called for. And a few where I just didn't get caught.

I ran across something a while back which really chapped my azz. My daughter was probably 5 at the time, we were in one of the big box home improvement stores. She picked up a box of decorative light bulbs and almost dropped it. I told her to put it back, she didn't want to and I then told her that if she dropped and broke them it meant that I would have to pay for them. A store employee (a young girl) overheard this and immediately told me in front of my daughter that no they would not charge me for something like that, immediately undermining my parental authority and also telling her that no she would not have to face the consequences of her actions. That pissed me OFF. BIG TIME. >:-(

That is what's wrong with this country now; not only the kids but even so called adults think they should not have to face the consequences of their actions and crap like that policy that just reinforces the problem.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury HalfDork
6/29/09 12:44 p.m.
Jensenman wrote: That is what's wrong with this country now; not only the kids but even so called adults think they should not have to face the consequences of their actions and crap like that policy that just reinforces the problem.

=bailout/TARP

...we ARE in trouble

/flounder

Jake
Jake HalfDork
6/29/09 1:49 p.m.

I have two boys, 4 and 1.5. The four-year-old is pretty great, on his own. He's smart, respectful, sweet, and kind. Sensitive to a fault, though, so all it really takes to get him in line is a sharp word. He knows with 111% certainty that if he acts up while we're out, we're headed home. Combine any of the following (missed nap, too much sugar, excitement over ______, frustration with little brother, visit with older cousin/other kids, etc) and all bets are off. 99% of the time, though, he's great.

The toddler, though- he doesn't speak English much yet (he's learning), so he's in terrible two mode. Screaming, hitting, and other unacceptable behavior is his way of expressing himself- so guess what? We don't go much of anywhere. He had colic the first 6 months of his life, and so our nerves are pretty much shot any time he starts in with the shrieking, I guess we're trained. We gotta get some words in that kid so he doesn't act out on pure frustration. We're trying hard not to just sequester ourselves at home, but we generally don't even consider inflicting the wildman on the world.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, that as the parent of an EXTREMELY unruly child, I apologize in advance. I try not to inconvenience other people too much, but I have to teach little man how to behave in public somehow. Public, so far, includes only soft targets. Places like the grocery store or the pharmacy or the home center where there's not much chance of them ruining anything too huge. I dream of the day that they are big enough to take to a car show/swap meet/festival/art show/ etc without me worrying that they are going to screw up somebody's hard work/ something I can't afford to buy.

Oh. And re: corporal punishment- we've done it. Doesn't seem to help anything, only makes me feel guilty- I'm a 250# grown man, what am I doing beating up on a baby? If it's called for, I can definitely administer the whoopin', but then I'll get the kids in to mom and go try not to cry about it. :laugh: Time out hurts the 4-year-old's feelings bad enough as is- we haven't figured out what to do with the toddler. He either doesn't have any feelings or is too angry (and I mean WILD FURY) to be contained with time out. :p

Like I said. We're even more homebodies than usual these days.

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