ReverendDexter wrote: #2 How is it that we can spend billions of dollars s'posedly being successful chasing s'posed "terr-ists" in the Middle East, but we won't defend our own border?
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ReverendDexter wrote: #2 How is it that we can spend billions of dollars s'posedly being successful chasing s'posed "terr-ists" in the Middle East, but we won't defend our own border?
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In reply to ReverendDexter:
theres an old submerged town that was inundated when the dam was built and falcon lake was created. they were on a sightseeing trip. i guess i'll copy/pasta for you since nobody wants to click and read for themselves what actually happened.
STRATFOR published an analysis last Wednesday noting that a reliable source in Mexico informed us that the Sept. 30 shooting death of U.S. citizen David Hartley on Falcon Lake — which straddles the U.S.-Mexico border — was a mistake committed by a low-level member of the Los Zetas drug trafficking organization. The source also informed us that those responsible for Hartley’s death are believed to have disposed of his body and that the Zeta hierarchy was conducting a damage-control operation to punish those responsible for the death and to distance the cartel from the murder. The source further reported that the murder of the lead Tamaulipas state investigator on the case, Rolando Armando Flores Villegas — whose head was delivered in a suitcase to the Mexican military’s Eight Zone headquarters in Reynosa on Oct. 12 — was a specific message from Los Zetas to Mexican authorities to back off from the investigation.
It must also be recognized that any attempt to quantify the death toll in the Mexican cartel wars is quickly complicated by the fact that the cartels have gotten very good at disposing of bodies. Many victims simply disappear, and their murders are never confirmed. For example, in December 2008, American anti-kidnapping consultant Felix Batista disappeared from a meeting at a restaurant in Saltillo, Coahuila state. Batista reportedly was murdered, but no trace of his body was ever found. In addition to dumping bodies in mass graves, using wood chippers or feeding them to vultures, Mexican cartels also have developed innovative ways to dispose of their victims’ corpses. Santiago “El Pozolero” Meza Lopez, a Tijuana cartel enforcer arrested in January 2009, admitted to Mexican authorities that he was responsible for dissolving at least 300 bodies in sodium hydroxide, a process known as making “guiso,” Spanish for “stew.” The cartels can either dispose of a body or mutilate it and leave it to be found, depending on the specific message they wish to send.
ansonivan wrote: I'm ashamed of my lunch.
I'm not. I just had a Lean Cuisine
I too would be upset if my loved one was killed by a Mexican drug cartel while vacationing in the United States. That's a huge failure of National Security. All of our problems don't wear turbins...
carguy123 wrote: I'm actually ashamed of many of the posters.
Well, I don't have them anymore but ,cmon, it was the 80s. We didn't have porn on the internet like we do now. It was Heather, a box of tissues and a fistful of shame.
I'm ashamed of USF1
Datsun1500 wrote: One issue I have is she claimed that they did not know they were in Mexico, and the reports have them 6 miles over the border. 6 miles on a Jet Ski is a long trip. Yes, it sucks that you lost your Husband, however, you were in another country illegally and now want our government to do something. That makes no sense to me.
not illegal to travel into the mexico side of falcon lake, it is illegal to set foot on land on that side.
also, the skis they were on are capable of 70+ mph for as long as there's gas in the tank on flat water. 6 miles would be just a bit over 5 minutes and 8 seconds at 70mph.
i've never heard that she said they didnt' know they were in mexico, the place they said they had gone to see was in mexico, so why wouldn't they think they were? unless the husband planned the trip and didnt tell her that where they were going was on the mexican side, that sounds like the most likely scenario.
Datsun1500 wrote: Yes, it sucks that you lost your Husband, however, you were in another country illegally and now want our government to do something.That makes no sense to me.
Maybe she wants to US to be pro-active - like the Mexican government which "assists" its' migrating citizens.
Or, maybe the US should ignore its' citizens who shoot and/or kill illegals.
One sounds better than the other - you make the choice.
I think the people should have just stayed out an area where murder is common.
The Mexico aspect gets people on their political high horse. Nobody would have sympathy for these people if they had decided to ride ATVs around a drug-fueled crime-ridden area of an American inner city.
Otto_Maddox wrote: I think the people should have just stayed out an area where murder is common.
So... Stay out of America... Gotcha.
Wally wrote:ignorant wrote: It's funny that I'm what you would call an Teddy Roosevelt kinda guy,I've been to Teddy Rooseelt's house. Ate a sandwich on Teddy Roosevelt's porch, and shopped at Teddy Roosevelt's gift shop. You sir, are no Teddy Roosevelt.
yeah I'm alive..
Actually Teddy and I both had really bad childhood asthma, poor eyesight, and the really highpitched shrill voice of a NY dandy.
Strizzo wrote:DILYSI Dave wrote:well, at least two guys, ignorant, who always lives up to his name, and spitfirebill implying that the lady probably killed her husband and is using the cartel angle to cover it up. there was even a homeowner on the US side that called the shooting in saying there were men with guns chasing and shooting at people on jetskisStrizzo wrote: wow, i would expect this sort of callous behavior from 4tran or the like, but not from you guys. this woman lost her husband and you call her an idiot, wow. if you don't like what's on TV, change the channel, or turn it off and go outside ferchrissakes. personal responsibility and all...Not "you guys". one guy.
How am i ignorant aside from my name?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ignorant said: ig·no·rant adj \ˈig-n(ə-)rənt\ Definition of IGNORANT 1 a : destitute of knowledge or education ; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence 2 : unaware, uninformed
ignorant of what?
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btw.. Tommy said I'm his new favorite.
Y'all are just jealous.
ignorant wrote: Y'all are just jealous.
If a 16yo boy hitting on you floats your boat, all the more power to ya!
In reply to ignorant:
unaware of the facts of this particular story, uninformed as to what the couple was actually doing and why they were in mexican waters.
not to mention lack of any compassion for a woman who lost her husband.
HiTempguy wrote:ignorant wrote: Y'all are just jealous.If a 16yo boy hitting on you floats your boat, all the more power to ya!
shows how long I've been married.
Strizzo wrote: In reply to ignorant: unaware of the facts of this particular story, uninformed as to what the couple was actually doing and why they were in mexican waters. not to mention lack of any compassion for a woman who lost her husband.
really?
what facts am I particularly unaware of? The fact they jetskied into a KNOWN area of violence to photograph a submerged mission.. Those photos sure are a great substitute for her husband.
Or
Were they there to find the amazing barrffoo maker of the best tin foil hats this side of the atlantic? He can be hard to find, but when you believe the CIA is using lasers to read your mind...
They made a choice, a very poor choice.. I don't have a ton of compassion for someone who makes a poor choice and then fails to acknowledge the consequences..
Strizzo wrote: and spitfirebill implying that the lady probably killed her husband and is using the cartel angle to cover it up.
No I didn't. You aren't nearly as psychic as you think you are.
But thanks for the encouragment to do a little research. I did and the WHOLE story still smells.
In reply to spitfirebill:
so then what part of it stinks? your saying it stinks says to me that you either think that she had something to do with his disappearance, or you think he was running from the law and disappeared into old mexico.
could you be a bit more specific? i don't think stratfor just pull stuff out of their behind, their intelligence service is used by many companies operating in much more hostile places than the mexico border region.
I'm sorry but I need to point something out here.
As a proud British Columbia resident I have to tell you:
Your weed doesn't come from Mexico.
Legalising pot won't fix the Mexican problem but it will fix some of our problems.
America needs cheap labour to function and that comes in the form of "Messicans", That's why the government ignores the problem. Canada has the same issue with brown people.
The immigrants do all the crappy, low paying jobs that our countries wellfare grabbing lazy berkeleyers are too proud to do.
Shawn
Strizzo wrote: In reply to spitfirebill: so then what part of it stinks? your saying it stinks says to me that you either think that she had something to do with his disappearance, or you think he was running from the law and disappeared into old mexico. could you be a bit more specific? i don't think stratfor just pull stuff out of their behind, their intelligence service is used by many companies operating in much more hostile places than the mexico border region.
I don't know Stratfor from Shineola, But I will say I'll leave it to the authorities (hopefully the Texas Rangers) to investigate this incident. And I don't much trust what comes from the Mexican authorites or our own state dept for that fact since there is a lot more at stake here.
I don't really have the time right now to outline my concerns for you. Others have been hitting all around it.
I've seen very little of the interviews with the lady. But the whole scenario seems pretty bizarre. It sounds a lot like the stories my son used to come up with.
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