Detroit is broke!

Swank Force One wrote:

tuna55 wrote:

Swank Force One wrote: That's all off topic. Look what i made on Tuesday!

NICE - how many Detroiters can it pull safely clear of the city limits? That's a new neat way to measure output

Depends on what chassis it's dumped into. Currently this one is going into an 88 MX6 GT, so.... 4, legally. Could probably stuff at least 10 starving rioting looting Detroiters in it if you weren't worried about seatbelts, though. It'd have the torque to pull a school bus, though.

OK, so nine, because you'd have to drive it, then the bus. Which bus?

The first number I came across from searching for 3 seconds is 78. let's assume that's completely accurate. I read it on Cracked once, so it has to be right. So this trip will take 87 people. Apparently there are like 700,000 people in Detroit, so we're talking something like 9000 trips. We're going to need more capacity. How many loaded schoolbuses can it pull?

It's always fun boys! I'll wait for those links to supporting facts, from non-biased news sources of course, supporting your stances on the issues discussed. In the meantime enjoy the charts supporting my statements.

btw - Cracked.com is hilarious!

Swank Force One wrote:

tuna55 wrote:

tuna55 wrote:

Swank Force One wrote: That's all off topic. Look what i made on Tuesday!

NICE - how many Detroiters can it pull safely clear of the city limits? That's a new neat way to measure output

Whoa, seriously, that manifold hurts my brain.

Heh, weird angle. It's not a bad little manifold.

Is that a SF1 custom? I didn't realize the BOV could go there. It actually does look rather efficient in that it has no pipe length between it and the turbo and the packaging of the turbo is quite neat.

In reply to Xceler8x:

Another wrench to throw in here, has anyone attempted to find out how much of an impact modernized factories are? We have a few businesses we supply that have fewer than 50 workers at a plant......yet churn out more than enough transfer cases to supply bmw, chrysler, gm, and ford. All those, with only one shift. This isn't the old days where people had to stand by a conveyor to install a single select piece or push a button. Its amazing what modern plants can put out. I think this is a larger part of why corporation earnings are up, and average salaries are down. With the single one time cost, they have improved efficiency so that fewer can do the same work it used to take many to do.

And as far as someone working at McD's for 10 years, I worked at one for a single day before I found something else. In addition to what I do now, technically I hold a second job for which I recieve no monetary pay, but recieve compensation in the form of housing/utilities.

In reply to tuna55: Yea, that is a trick setup

Xceler8x wrote:

tuna55 wrote: Yeah, you sure can summarize a few decades worth of turmoil by isolating exactly one aspect of one country's economy in four sentences on a message board. Congratulations. Go get your nobel prize in economics. Or, perhaps, it might be slightly more complicated than that.

Employees are making less now, adjusted for inflation, than they did 10 years ago. All while the top 1%'s income has gone up. If trickle down economics worked...we, the middle class, would've gained at least some of that increased income. We did not. Ergo, trickle down economics doesn't work or at least hasn't worked in the last decade or more. If you have proof to post pointing out otherwise, please do. Check out this graph from Bloomberg. Link. The graph I'm referring to is titled "How aggregate income has changed". It has data from 1967 on. ..also My BAD! Income for anyone but the upper 20% has dropped since the early 90's while it increased for the upper 20%. I guess the trickling down will start any minute now...yup....anytime....gonna start....real.....soon. No nobel prize needed thanks. I stand on the shoulders of giants in this regard. I can't take credit for the graph so please keep the $1 mil reward Alfred Nobel has kindly offered.

Damn. I didn't know I had become the upper 20%. Sum-bitch. Who knew that bringing home $70k/ year for a married couple is now the top 20%.

tuna55 wrote:

Swank Force One wrote:

tuna55 wrote:

tuna55 wrote:

Swank Force One wrote: That's all off topic. Look what i made on Tuesday!

NICE - how many Detroiters can it pull safely clear of the city limits? That's a new neat way to measure output

Whoa, seriously, that manifold hurts my brain.

Heh, weird angle. It's not a bad little manifold.

Is that a SF1 custom? I didn't realize the BOV could go there. It actually does look rather efficient in that it has no pipe length between it and the turbo and the packaging of the turbo is quite neat.

That's not a BOV. That's a 38mm external wastegate.

I didn't build the manifold, i believe it's an old JGS Tools "log kit" for this motor, just with a Grand National turbo flange stuck on it.

In reply to yamaha:

A friend of mine sells A Major Paper Product That You All Use Daily to a Large Retailer. They made a new plant. In teh US, y0. It has 10 people in it. It replaced a plant with several hundred people.

In reply to Dr. Hess:

Amazing what technical advancement can bring.

somehow this seems appropriate here:

I'd be broke too...

Father of 24 found dead inside Detroit building

"He was a very loving, strong man," said daughter Deleesha Taylor

Very loving indeed.

In reply to That_Renault_Guy:

I feel bad for laughing at that.

holy hell thats funny!

In reply to Xceler8x:

Im only going to dip my toe into this cesspool for a moment...

things only carry worth when there is demand for them. Value stems from demand, and increases when there is a low quantity of a high demand item available. This happens to be the case with money...if theres tons of it around, its not worth much - high demand with high availability = low value. Such is the case with compensation for labor...if everyone has a lot of money, simple things will become crazy expensive when people who sell things realize how much money is available.

read: inflation

xflowgolf wrote: somehow this seems appropriate here: I'd be broke too... Father of 24 found dead inside Detroit building

"He was a very loving, strong man," said daughter Deleesha Taylor

Very loving indeed.

my favorite line from the article:

"I don't know what's going to happen now. He had 24 kids," said sister Jacqueline Taylor.

i'm going to go out on a limb and say that their welfare checks will increase because their 'bread winner' is dead.

That_Renault_Guy wrote:

Thats a good price for the giant fist

That_Renault_Guy wrote: CHEAP DETROIT EVERYTHING

This is funny but far from the truth. In many areas in Detroit commercial property is unusually expensive. Compared to nearby cities like Toledo, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, even Chicago, commercial property values per sq ft can be very high in Detroit. Of course there are 20k sq ft piles of rubble in areas that look like they've been bombed for $10k (which still seems high to me), but in other areas, dilapidated buildings are on the market for higher rates than in other major cities.

Detroit is in a great situation right now because it's not possible to pretend the situation is better than it really is. Nothing will change unless individuals with some personal stake in the city roll up their sleeves and start working on something/anything. No amount of planning or talking will change anything, which leaves the field clear for those that will actually do something.

And in the current state, those that want to do something will have alot of leverage on the city to let them do what they want to do. And that's what the city needs, not people on the outside saying what ought to be done, but people asking to go in to be allowed to do the things they want to do, and letting them do it.

In reply to grpb:

The commercial/industrial property thing is a case of rich shiny happy people and corporations not caring that they were asking too much 20 years ago and the place is falling down now, old price tag still intact.

If I had my way that technically not abandoned stuff would be eminent domained and given away to people who will actually use it for anything but watching it rot.