Donald Trump is a frizzy haired tool.

In reply to turboswede:

He's never sent an email why should I doubt he has a flip phone. My dad never sends emails and has a flip phone.

Yeah, I had heard he was not up on all that new fancy pantsy technology stuff

Electronic mail predates the inception of the Internet and was in fact a crucial tool in creating it,[5] but the history of modern, global Internet email services reaches back to the early ARPANET. Standards for encoding email messages were proposed as early as 1973 (RFC 561). Conversion from ARPANET to the Internet in the early 1980s produced the core of the current services. An email message sent in the early 1970s looks quite similar to a basic text message sent on the Internet today

SVreX wrote:

Datsun1500 wrote: 100% serious question. Would it be so bad if he won? Why not try someone that does not care about being politically correct for once?

100% serious answer: Nope. The one political tenent to that everyone on this board can agree on is that the office of President has minimal power. Apparently we stop believing that when we talk about Trump.

Couple things off the top of my head; I never agreed to anything that preposterous. I'm not sure who agreed to this "the president has no power" canard. And if we look at the treatment of Obama, I think that there's a lot of proof that no one believes this, unless you're admitting [to the truth] that Obama has experienced some negative backlash purely out of racism.

You know, the DoD security clearance questions include the question of "how many times have you claimed bankruptcy". It's seen as a measure of both judgement and ability to be bribed. I'm told it's worse, in this case, to have a bankruptcy with your name on it than to have a DUI with your name on it. I don't think Trump could get a clearance from the organization that a vocal few think he should be the Commander of? What? How do you balance that?

aircooled wrote:

SVreX wrote: ...Even the worst havoc he could reap could turn out to be positive...

I think you may be forgetting the President is also the Commander in Chief (stealing from another thread):

Nope. Not forgetting it.

pres589 wrote: You know, the DoD security clearance questions include the question of "how many times have you claimed bankruptcy". It's seen as a measure of both judgement and ability to be bribed. I'm told it's worse, in this case, to have a bankruptcy with your name on it than to have a DUI with your name on it. I don't think Trump could get a clearance from the organization that a vocal few think he should be the Commander of? What? How do you balance that?

Trump has not declared bankruptcy. His companies have.

We've been through this.

pres589 wrote:

SVreX wrote:

Datsun1500 wrote: 100% serious question. Would it be so bad if he won? Why not try someone that does not care about being politically correct for once?

100% serious answer: Nope. The one political tenent to that everyone on this board can agree on is that the office of President has minimal power. Apparently we stop believing that when we talk about Trump.

Couple things off the top of my head; I never agreed to anything that preposterous. I'm not sure who agreed to this "the president has no power" canard. And if we look at the treatment of Obama, I think that there's a lot of proof that no one believes this, unless you're admitting [to the truth] that Obama has experienced some negative backlash purely out of racism.

That was a simple reference to the huge quantity of threads on this forum that eventually say some form of "He's just a figurehead"...

It was NOT a statement about your personal politics.

Pardon the inelegance of my statement, but the sentiment is referred to so often here that I didn't think I needed to be quite so careful or detailed in explanation.

As far as your racism comment, I will abstain from that pathetic game of trashy flounder bait.

Regarding the “A History of Executive Orders” chart…

I committed murder but you J-Walked twice so you’re a bigger criminal than I am.

No really, see, here’s a Bar Chart I made to objectively measure criminal behavior and your bar is exactly twice as high as mine…do I need to get a ruler?

In reply to SVreX:

You're right. The guy that talks like he would run America like a corporation, and has lead four different enterprises into socialized bankruptcy, is definitely fit for this position. Case closed, well played.

You said the president is powerless to enact change, so why is Obama catching so much flak? Why even be in this discussion if you think the role isn't worth talking about?

p.s. did you even read the article I linked to that describes Trump as a fascist?

In reply to pres589:

This thread is about Trump.

Obama is flounder. Allegations about racist motivated backlash against Obama is trashy flounder bait. Not worth pursuing.

I never said Trump was fit for the position. Your words, not mine.

pres589 wrote: p.s. did you even read the article I linked to that describes Trump as a fascist?

P.S. Yes I did. I read every word.

I found it to be a pretty accurate description of the guy, and a completely biased and ignorant view of every other candidate and the US's position in the world.

It was interesting, but way too far off the end of the spectrum to be useful in an honest discussion, so I ignored it.

Thanks for sharing.

RX Reven' wrote: Regarding the “A History of Executive Orders” chart… I committed murder but you J-Walked twice so you’re a bigger criminal than I am. No really, see, here’s a Bar Chart I made to objectively measure criminal behavior and your bar is exactly twice as high as mine…do I need to get a ruler?

This is much better then what I was going to say, but exactly this!

In reply to kanaric:

McCain received his medals for his experience as a POW. Definitely did not have a bronze star before being shot down.

back to the topic - Trump's a tool - but he's a sort of entertaining tool and the public, I think, is truly sick of the usual batch of politicians. So he's got some entertainment value early in the process. As a president, the passing thought is that it would be funny. The reality is that I would be utterly appalled.

Half the country was appalled by Bush, the other half by Obama. If 2/3 are appalled by Trump it's not that big a change.

In reply to Wally:

Actually, Obama's current approval rating is 42.6%, and Bush's in his 6th year was 37.3%, so Trump could be much worse than 2/3 and still be in the right ballpark.

Am I the only one hoping we somehow end up with Trump vs "Creepy Uncle Joe" Biden? Or better yet Trump/Biden 3rd party ticket?

turboswede wrote: In reply to Wally: Is it possible that might not have been his phone? Do you think maybe it might have been staged in some way using an old, defunct phone?

You mean like John Kerry throwing away his medals?

Datsun1500 wrote: In reply to kanaric: How come when people point out the bad stuff the Democrats did I always hear "but that was the old party, they basically switched in the 60's so it was really the Republicans that did that" but the chart like you posted seems to "forget" that argument?

Anyone who makes an argument like that is dumb. It's true that they switched positions on civil rights in the '60s, but that has nothing to do with executive orders and shouldn't allow any "exchange of responsibility" either.

Although by this same logic, the current parties shouldn't get any credit for the deeds of the past parties that shared their names (good or bad) and therefore smearing the current-day Democratic party with what they were doing in the 1800s (or trying to give credit to the Republican party for what they were doing in the 1800s) is also dumb.

I agree.. while it is good to learn from the past, you cannot and should not base your votes on what your chosen party did 100, 50, or even 20 years ago. That said, basing your vote on "party lines" is also really dumb

Wally wrote: This gets more entertaining all the time. Now he has Lindsey Graham smashing his flip phone. Why does someone who thinks he's going to be President carry a flip phone?

Hey! I carry a flip phone and I'd take the job of president. Well,at least until the birthers figured out where I was born.

Bwahahaha, check this out, Trump gives the Republicans an ultimatum between sullying their image by taking him seriously, and having to contend with a Ross Perot 2.0 in 2016! XD

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-gop-third-party-independent-candidate-120521.html

Bull Moose party 2016

GameboyRMH wrote: Bwahahaha, check this out, Trump gives the Republicans an ultimatum between sullying their image by taking him seriously, and having to contend with a Ross Perot 2.0 in 2016! XD http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-gop-third-party-independent-candidate-120521.html

Threatens? That would be their best case scenario.

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the RNC just simply kicked him out of the party.

(already getting the popcorn ready for the most watched presidential candidate debate EVER)

Thinking about it. They really want him in the debates with a few smart well spoken candidates (do they have any?) who can show him for the clown he is. If he splits out before that though, he could sabotage some votes.

Just got back from a VFD run, can't sleep & bored. Like a handle-lifter in a good neighborhood, surprised myself to find this wasn't locked!

YOU FOOL!