I had a job interview today. Going eastbound, stopped for a red light. A CHP truck passed by in the westbound lane, and the dummies in front of me did not move until the Chippie was about 200 feet past them!
Yet another reason I plan on leaving California. Hopefully people elsewhere actually have some intelligence.
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oh, your in fresno, no wonder...
perhaps a quick application of the horn next time.
I've been in CA many times for business. I have never understood why anyone would want to live in the most popular places, like LA, NY and Miami. Maybe I just hate people too much?
Yah, I live in a suburb of Miami. Ready to go to North Carolina, or Arizona, or even Trinidad. This is too much.
You're not alone. I feel the same way. Though I did enjoy my stay in SanFran as a tourist, I doubt I could live there with the traffic nightmare they have. Of course LA just seems like a cesspool outside of the few nice areas and I haven't visited Miami or New York City yet.
We got 'em here too. 
Just this morning I was rolling up my street to turn onto the highway. The light was green and there is an SUV just sitting there. I roll up next to them with my window down prepared to ask if they needed some help but he was just sitting there looking at his phone, so instead I just howled with laughter and went on my merry way. Idiots. Put the electrical device down and drive that damn car.
In reply to fiat22turbo:
You live in one of the areas I'm most strongly considering moving to.
Stay away from Atlanta, too.
The city that is "too busy to hate" is full of people "too stupid to drive".
Oh, man, Atlanta has WAY too many stupid drivers. God bless us all if it ever snows here.
Funny thing about Atlanta drivers is most are from somewhere else. I guess every where else sends us their lousy drivers.
NoNoNoNo. Atl only gets the drivers that don't have the patience to drive all the way to Miami. Miami is the capital of drivers, construction workers, etc., from some where up north.
If I never have to drive in Atlanta again, I'd be happy. I285 is the biggest cluster berkeley of a road I've ever been on.
cwh wrote: Yah, I live in a suburb of Miami. Ready to go to North Carolina...
Ah man it's fillin' up here too. Especially the Raleigh area, although Charlotte and Greensboro literally have people coming out of the walls too. There has to be a wormhole spitting people out somewhere. The problem is that cities grow so fast, that if you find a place of the size you like, it's incredibly over populated in the next few years. I'd love to keep living in North Carolina, but I feel like I could build a mud house in the boonies and have a city block full of Starbucks there within 5 years.
Speaking of stupid-driver cities, Wilmington NC takes the cake. I find it hilariously frightening that these people are allowed access to public roads.
It's not that NC isn't a great place to live; I'd love to spend the rest of my life in NC. I'm just venting about the peons that run the city and care more about cramming as many people and buildings into one area as possible, certain that it makes a better city. If you're coming from Miami, you might love it (been to Miami a number of times) because it won't seem crowded to you. Just be wary of the areas that top the list of fastest-growing cities.
I'd love to find a small town that isn't going to be hit by the exponential-growth curse in the immediate future, although that could be like throwing a dart at a dartboard. Although I was born in lower New York, I'm starting to like smaller towns more and more as I get older.
i have seen more and more of this happening. people will just pull ovr on busy roads or stop just to text or make a call. ON A BUSY ROAD!
stupid
I don't get why people are so obsessed with LA or SF. San Diego is awesome, but mega expensive. I rather like Sacramento.
Having two world class racetracks close enough to drive to an event morning-of is awesome. I can't think of any other decent city so conveniently situated for playing with cars. Discourages me from moving.
Actually, I believe Sacramento was also named the third slowest-paced major city in the U.S., and I believe we're also one of the top for most courteous drivers.
CarKid1989 wrote: i have seen more and more of this happening. people will just pull ovr on busy roads or stop just to text or make a call. ON A BUSY ROAD! stupid
Wait a second now. I do this on a regular basis, but wait I understand how to pull over OFF the FREAKING ROAD! What u want me to text while I drive like the other morons? or wait maybe driving and talking on the phone with one hand blocking part of my field of view is ok too. J/K but seriously I am known to pull off the road and make a phone call.
Salanis wrote: I don't get why people are so obsessed with LA or SF. San Diego is awesome, but mega expensive. I rather like Sacramento. Having two world class racetracks close enough to drive to an event morning-of is awesome. I can't think of any other decent city so conveniently situated for playing with cars. Discourages me from moving. Actually, I believe Sacramento was also named the third slowest-paced major city in the U.S., and I believe we're also one of the top for most courteous drivers.
I grew up in Stockton. Went to college at Davis. Lived in Sacramento for a while after graduating. I have to admit it was nice to hang out at Sears Point (now Infineon) and go to the Monterey Historics every year. Being a couple hours drive from the ski resorts in Tahoe and the beaches at Santa Cruz was nice too.
But the job market in Sacramento wasn't all that great back then and it is probably a whole lot worse now. Don't even get me started about housing prices in California. The Central Valley isn't Malibu or Marin County. Why are prices so high in places like Sacramento, Stockton and Fresno where you are such a long way from the ocean? Most of the people I know there who still own their houses think nothing of paying 50% of their income out in mortgage payments and have put up with all kinds of 'creative' financing schemes to even get into a house. There isn't much left to spend on cars after the house payment is made.
There are reasons why I live in Texas.
CarKid1989 wrote: i have seen more and more of this happening. people will just pull ovr on busy roads or stop just to text or make a call. ON A BUSY ROAD! stupid
instead of being upset with them how 'bout applauding them for having the sense to pull over... especially on a busy road.... ( same road, would you rather them texting and driving ? )
Salanis wrote: I don't get why people are so obsessed with LA or SF. San Diego is awesome, but mega expensive. I rather like Sacramento. Having two world class racetracks close enough to drive to an event morning-of is awesome. I can't think of any other decent city so conveniently situated for playing with cars. Discourages me from moving. Actually, I believe Sacramento was also named the third slowest-paced major city in the U.S., and I believe we're also one of the top for most courteous drivers.
Asheville ain't so bad... 3 1/2 hr from VIR, Road Atlanta, and CMP.
with the new track n of Atl and High Rock (Salisbury,NC) coming soon
oldsaw wrote: Stay away from Atlanta, too. The city that is "too busy to hate" is full of people "too stupid to drive".
I had to go through a coupla major intersections there, I don't recall the street names. The only way to make progress is to run a red light. When the other direction has the green, they park side by side blocking the intersection, oops, it's red, but I'm already here. WTF? I get the green but faced with a small parking lot. It's red, I go.
Rediculous.
That's why I like Kelso, WA. Small town, no traffic, and nobody moves here. We're 40 minutes from Portland International Raceway and ~2 hours from both Pacific Raceway (SIR) and the new Oregon Raceway Park. That's 2 historic, "world class" tracks and an all-new, highly-technical track easily within same-day tripping. Add in that we are 1.5 hours from Packwood, a National Tour Solo/ProSolo site, and the multiple drag strips (PIR, SIR, Woodburn), and the oval track/drift track (South Sound), and even the Point Barlow Mud Track (right here in Longview) and I'm pretty much in the mecca of motorsports.
Nobody get any ideas though! 
Hey Atlanta! I'll take your I-285 and raise you a bunch. Golden Glades interchange in Miami. I-95 meets three major roads. To go from the Palmetto Expressway to northbound 95, you make 5 turns and three merges. I guarantee that (almost) all drivers are concentrating. I have heard that this intersection is used as a classroom example of how not to do it.
Snowdoggie wrote:Salanis wrote: I don't get why people are so obsessed with LA or SF. San Diego is awesome, but mega expensive. I rather like Sacramento. Having two world class racetracks close enough to drive to an event morning-of is awesome. I can't think of any other decent city so conveniently situated for playing with cars. Discourages me from moving. Actually, I believe Sacramento was also named the third slowest-paced major city in the U.S., and I believe we're also one of the top for most courteous drivers.I grew up in Stockton. Went to college at Davis. Lived in Sacramento for a while after graduating. I have to admit it was nice to hang out at Sears Point (now Infineon) and go to the Monterey Historics every year. Being a couple hours drive from the ski resorts in Tahoe and the beaches at Santa Cruz was nice too. But the job market in Sacramento wasn't all that great back then and it is probably a whole lot worse now. Don't even get me started about housing prices in California. The Central Valley isn't Malibu or Marin County. Why are prices so high in places like Sacramento, Stockton and Fresno where you are such a long way from the ocean? Most of the people I know there who still own their houses think nothing of paying 50% of their income out in mortgage payments and have put up with all kinds of 'creative' financing schemes to even get into a house. There isn't much left to spend on cars after the house payment is made. There are reasons why I live in Texas.
Haha Stockton is no longer so expensive; there are plenty of foreclosures to pick from. Sacramento is ok, but its too flat and too hot, Living up in the Santa Cruz Mountains is where its at, not too far from Laguna Seca, and my daily drive to work is a road people come up and drive for fun on the weekends. 
The only real problem happens on Sunday when all the flatlanders (like Salanis 
) come up to the local wineries and freak out when they see a strange and terrifying thing called a "corner"
wbjones wrote:CarKid1989 wrote: i have seen more and more of this happening. people will just pull ovr on busy roads or stop just to text or make a call. ON A BUSY ROAD! stupidinstead of being upset with them how 'bout applauding them for having the sense to pull over... especially on a busy road.... ( same road, would you rather them texting and driving ? )
They pull into the curb lane on the busy road...still on the road, just stopped. i am fine with pulling off the road or whatever but this is stopping at the side of a major street to do their thing
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