pres589 (djronnebaum)
pres589 (djronnebaum) PowerDork
1/20/20 12:23 p.m.

Let's say you have a satellite communications system like XM.  You've got an antenna that grabs RF energy radiated by a satellite, a coaxial cable carrying that signal from the antenna to a receiver, and the receiver itself with amplification and decoding and all that jazz.  How much electrical energy does the antenna element grab and transmit into the receiver radio?  I know it's a tiny amount; I would like to be able to compare it to amperages for other things so that I can describe how important it is to maintain signal quality and reduce any issues with the signal path.  RF is not an area where I feel very strong as I never really dealt with it in my career thus far.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UltimaDork
1/20/20 12:41 p.m.

Are you looking for a specific number?  Or just a ballpark?

It has a lot to do with broadcast power, antenna shape, distance, etc.  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_path_loss

pres589 (djronnebaum)
pres589 (djronnebaum) PowerDork
1/20/20 1:09 p.m.

Ballpark is fine.  XM was discussed recently on the job but other systems may be of interest later so a general idea is fine. 

dculberson
dculberson MegaDork
1/20/20 1:14 p.m.

That is an interesting question. I can't help you on the receiver end, but it looks like the audio band transmitter on the satellite puts out about 75 watts. That's 36,000km away and covers a pretty broad area, so you can imagine the actual received amount is tiny. That compares to a terrestrial radio station which for a big one is in the 100,000+ watt range.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UltimaDork
1/20/20 1:26 p.m.

Quick napkin math on the XM #s above resulted in (1/12.5*10E18)*75watts

Someone double check that :P

Edit:   I did not account for directivity, and surely the XM satellite is directional.  No point in pointing it at anything but earth.

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/20/20 1:37 p.m.

It's probably an intensity question:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensity_(physics)

 

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess MegaDork
1/20/20 2:33 p.m.

As a back of the napkin calc, about 30-36dB gain is all you're ever going to get out of any antenna, dish or otherwise.  So, say 32 dB at the satellite max, and (roughly) every 3 dB is doubling effective power. So, 11 doubles on 75 Watts at the transmitter.  And that's if they deployed a dish, which I don't think satellites use, but I'm no satellite expert.  Hey, the Death Star had a dish.  Maybe they used the same one? 

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